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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Akiva Cohen

      This is what I mean. I doubt that Akiva really respects the idea that God does not exist. He means he respects my thinking and sincerity even tho he thinks it has led me to the wrong conclusion. He respects certain things about me whilst thinking I am wrong, not the wrongness.https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/950414792484950017 …

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      Akiva Cohen @AkivaMCohen
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Don't think that's so strange. For instance, I respect your atheism though I think it's dead wrong; I know you came to it in a spirit of inquiry and sincerely hold your incorrect beliefs 😀based on what you think is valid evidence
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    2. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Yes and no. It depends what you mean by "respect the idea". If you mean "think it is correct," then that's a tautology, and wrong ideas can't be respected, by definition. But if you mean "think it's one that deserves to be taken seriously, addressed intelligently, and ...

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    3. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose

      considered on its merits," then wrong ideas absolutely can be (and some should be) respected. It's in contrast to, say, flat-earth theory, which is an idea that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously because it is so self-evidently flawed

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @AkivaMCohen

      I see it very differently. At the most an idea can be considered important to address seriously but I would not call this respect.

      9:38 AM - 8 Jan 2018
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        2. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Then I think you're having a semantic difference of opinion rather than a substantive one, since I doubt the person asking you "what wrong ideas do you respect" defines "respect" as applied to ideas the same way.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @AkivaMCohen

          I think this is a problem of thinking tho. I get a bee in my bonnet about 'respect'. I think it is essential to only give respect to ideas which have validity. I am worried about the idea of respecting ideas regardless of their truth value.

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        4. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          But your problem seems to be with the implications some people may have for the word "respect" more than its actual content if understood in the way I (and others) use it. You agree that there are wrong ideas that are worth taking seriously (& not because of their harmfulness)

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @AkivaMCohen

          Yes, but we need to think about what we consider respect-worthy, whether it is the idea itself or the thinking that has gone into it. When a scientific consensus is overturned by new evidence, we don't stop respecting the previous work but we do stop respecting the idea.

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        6. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes ... but that's because the idea has been conclusively disproven. (Hence the lack of respect for flat-earthism). I don't think you can get to that type of conclusiveness in many cases of wrong ideas in philosophy/social sciences

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @AkivaMCohen

          This is true. But I still don't respect ideas unless there is some evidence of their soundness. And God is not really a philosophical or social science issue. He either exists or not. That is a scientific question.

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        8. Akiva Cohen‏ @AkivaMCohen Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          We really do need to have that debate we talked about a while back 😀Once my custody trial is done, we're going to have it out in Aero, you hear? But no, it's not a scientific question at all, since science is the study of the existent universe and ...

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @AkivaMCohen

          Well, if God didn't create it and isn't having any impact on it, we won't be able to discover him unless we can develop science to enable us to get to wherever he is.

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