I addressed that too. What more do you think I could address?
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Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel
I'm trying to get past all these tedious arguments about the definition of 'woman' and what makes someone 'really' a woman. People can have their own positions on this. What is important is letting them do so.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Ok. Now I understand you better. I do not think (at all) that this is tedious. And I think that it is a bit delusory to expect science to bring answers (what exactly could it bring that would help in thah debate?). Ok for a modus vivendi, this should not prevent questionning ...
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Replying to @BobFitzmarcel
It will help us to know why some people are trans. You can question other things if you want.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Of course and it will be very interesting. I just don’t expect that it will bring an answer to the question of: is « feeling » enough for « being »? Which is actually the question at the core of all this.
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Replying to @BobFitzmarcel
Well, science will tell us the being. What aspects of us make up gender. So far, we have only gone on what can be seen with eyes - reproductive systems. Now we know that brains and hormones and genetics are also involved.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel
After that it just comes down to squabbles about whether what 'really' makes someone a man or women is just the reproductive system or also the brain & hormones etc. There's just not much point in telling people they're not really women coz they have a penis. They know they have
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Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel
In the same way, it doesn't work to tell gay men that their penises evolved to go into vaginas for the propagation of the species. They know this. They also know they are attracted to men, not women and science is getting closer to working out why that is too.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel
Then it just comes down to whether you treat a trans person as their self-perceived gender or not and the ethics of that. I am a liberal so it;s very simple for me. It feels right to them and takes nothing from me.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
So, basically you agree with me: nothings really new to be expected from science ... You just say that this is not the issue.
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What? No. I can't say this any more clearly. I wrote a whole essay about it.
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