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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

      Well, that's what 'trans' means. You have aspects of biology which are not female but enough that are so that you feel that you are.

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    2. CQFG‏ @BobFitzmarcel Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Then the rest of my thread. I have no doubt that Trans people « feel » that they are of the opposite sex. But « feeling » is not « being ».

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

      I've really said all I have to say in that piece. If you still feel the need to counter and oppose trans identity, I defend your right to do so. I'm just going to leave people alone to do their own thing.

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    4. CQFG‏ @BobFitzmarcel Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don’t want to « oppose » anything actually. I just don’t want to be compelled to accept things either. Hence I raise the questions I have. Without success once more ...

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

      I addressed that too. What more do you think I could address?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel

      I'm trying to get past all these tedious arguments about the definition of 'woman' and what makes someone 'really' a woman. People can have their own positions on this. What is important is letting them do so.

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    7. CQFG‏ @BobFitzmarcel Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Ok. Now I understand you better. I do not think (at all) that this is tedious. And I think that it is a bit delusory to expect science to bring answers (what exactly could it bring that would help in thah debate?). Ok for a modus vivendi, this should not prevent questionning ...

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

      It will help us to know why some people are trans. You can question other things if you want.

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    9. CQFG‏ @BobFitzmarcel Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Of course and it will be very interesting. I just don’t expect that it will bring an answer to the question of: is « feeling » enough for « being »? Which is actually the question at the core of all this.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

      Well, science will tell us the being. What aspects of us make up gender. So far, we have only gone on what can be seen with eyes - reproductive systems. Now we know that brains and hormones and genetics are also involved.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel

      After that it just comes down to squabbles about whether what 'really' makes someone a man or women is just the reproductive system or also the brain & hormones etc. There's just not much point in telling people they're not really women coz they have a penis. They know they have

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel

          In the same way, it doesn't work to tell gay men that their penises evolved to go into vaginas for the propagation of the species. They know this. They also know they are attracted to men, not women and science is getting closer to working out why that is too.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BobFitzmarcel

          Then it just comes down to whether you treat a trans person as their self-perceived gender or not and the ethics of that. I am a liberal so it;s very simple for me. It feels right to them and takes nothing from me.

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        4. CQFG‏ @BobFitzmarcel Jan 8
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          So, basically you agree with me: nothings really new to be expected from science ... You just say that this is not the issue.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 8
          Replying to @BobFitzmarcel

          What? No. I can't say this any more clearly. I wrote a whole essay about it.

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