2/ I mean: the biology of the brain is not the only one that matters. You are not « a woman » simply because some characteristics of your brain are in-between those of men and women.
Well, science will tell us the being. What aspects of us make up gender. So far, we have only gone on what can be seen with eyes - reproductive systems. Now we know that brains and hormones and genetics are also involved.
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After that it just comes down to squabbles about whether what 'really' makes someone a man or women is just the reproductive system or also the brain & hormones etc. There's just not much point in telling people they're not really women coz they have a penis. They know they have
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In the same way, it doesn't work to tell gay men that their penises evolved to go into vaginas for the propagation of the species. They know this. They also know they are attracted to men, not women and science is getting closer to working out why that is too.
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Then it just comes down to whether you treat a trans person as their self-perceived gender or not and the ethics of that. I am a liberal so it;s very simple for me. It feels right to them and takes nothing from me.
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So, basically you agree with me: nothings really new to be expected from science ... You just say that this is not the issue.
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What? No. I can't say this any more clearly. I wrote a whole essay about it.
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We already know all this. At least that this is possible. And by the way, DNA is not exactly « visible ». Plus it is striking that the transitioning is only about the « visible » and actually, the whole gender stuff as a social construction is too.
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I said reproductive systems are visible and that's what we have gone by. We can now see if chromosomes say the same thing as it. But I don't care about these arguments. If you're happy to just leave people alone to do their own thing, I;m happy.
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I don’t really disagree on the « let people do what they want » as long as it is reciprocal. It is an utopy, but why not? Still, as ideas matter (and cannot be adressed without meaningful words), I will continue to ask my question. Who knows, one day I might receive ans answer...
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You'll receive lots of answers. There is no shortage of answers and well-developed rationales to the questions 'What is a woman?' and 'Is feeling like a woman the same as being a woman?'
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This is all people do, argue about these from from different ideological/philosophical frameworks. It's incredibly tedious and our essay was an attempt to cut through it & address practicalities and a simple liberal ethics in relation to it.
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And somehow, I agree. More and more, it will become obvious that different metaphysics lead to radically different point of views. Hence, people will have to coexist. Still lots of progress to do on this, on both sides.
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I think it's better to care less about definitions and more about letting people do what they want, sorting out the practical issues and waiting on the science to explain this phenomenon more clearly.
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Ok. Anyway, thank you for your patient answers. It was instructive for me.
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