I’m not opposed to immigration with background checks & screening by interview, including questions that delve psychologically into how they person feels about the society they are entering & describing how they intend to contribute. A Heinlein model of citizenship.
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Maybe the trouble with decades of accentuating diversity is we don’t teach unity now. In my youth we learned simply about social fabric concepts e.g. singing together the “national” songs. Whether that be Land of Hope and Glory or Waltzing Matilda. Social fabric is woven.
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There is a middle ground between jingoistic, fascism and history revisised to assign guilt and national self-loathing
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Progressives (not my choice of term but the accepted label for the group being described here) also promote multiculturalism, and that is a disastrous policy when the cultures being encouraged are homophobic, misogynistic and anti-secular - Islam being the prime example
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Progressives encourage illegal immigration, and that's the real problem. If you don't agree with immigration policy, then work to change the policy, encouraging illegal immigration or being an apologist for it is never the answer.
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These are always hard ideas, and people seem to take such an un-nuanced and fixed view. I would like to know exactly what definition of the word "liberalism" you're subscribing to here. (If you could point to one single example even?) Just for the sake of argument. So to speak.
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Liberalism, in a classical sense, usually is an anti-authoritarian individualist and universalist stance. Typically it rejects state control over culture and rejects cultural control over behavior. Blank slatism is usually a requirement for universalism.
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Found this a bit late in my replies. Alright, that makes sense. Now, I always end up saying that the is a tension between liberalism, as defined here and the responsibility of the state, and consequentially the responsibility of the individual to the state. (1 of 2 maybe?)
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I don't think they could persuade all immigrants to be racist. But even if they could, the bulk of the UK public don't give a toss about race. They live together and have families together. We'll be a nation of mixed race people long before progressives manage to cause a race war
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Doesn't really need to end in a race war. Check the racial division on political issues and apply some thinking. If races/ethnicities are wildly divided on their views, some group will always be dissatisfied with society. With enough numbers, they'll change society.
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I see your point about voting patterns and corrupt parties using immigration But I'm not too worried about UK. Fastest growing racial group here is mixed-race. I can't see people that have white people in their family, voting to disadvantage white people. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245406/Jessica-Ennis-hailed-face-todays-Britain-census-figures-reveal-mixed-race-rise.html …pic.twitter.com/V9ooKVus3h
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...look after everyone if there is a large influx and the state economy is challenged. (CF. Movement of refugees). I'd rather be a bit poorer and provide more sanctuary, what we used to call it), than not, but it can't be an unregulated thing and that's tricky and sad.
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Good lord. I think it's easy to recognise, Helen, that there is an inherent dichotomy between liberalism and the state's responsibility to take care of the state's inhabitants; as well as between the idea of freedom to travel and settle and the ability of the state to...(sorry)
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I said we need to stop importing RACIALLY TRIBAL groups. If racial tribalists want SocJus, then the SAME QUESTION remains unanswered. How do you convince racial tribalists of ANYTHING when their primary concern is benefit to their race? The ideas are entirely inflatable.
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