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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 7

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted SuperSecretSigma

    Well, you can either give up or keep trying to make the world a better place. Ideas change all the time. The last fifty years has seen unprecedented advances for racial/gender/LGBT equality. Your call, tho.https://twitter.com/Eidotheia/status/950022166615134210 …

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    SuperSecretSigma @Eidotheia
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    If racial tribalists care about identity over ideas, how does promoting liberalism defeat tribalism? By definition identity is more important to racial tribalists.
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      2. SuperSecretSigma‏ @Eidotheia Jan 7
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Those “advances” came due to the RISE of racial and ethnic tribalism. Social justice and progressivism directly and purposely encourage racial tribalism. Liberalism did not stop it. How will liberalism stop tribalism?

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      3. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Jan 7
        Replying to @Eidotheia @HPluckrose

        More tribalism is what led to more egalitarianism. Am I reading this correctly?

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      4. SuperSecretSigma‏ @Eidotheia Jan 7
        Replying to @mattguttmanorg @HPluckrose

        No, more tribalism led to social justice. Social justice is not equality or egalitarianism. It’s “justice”. It’s about righting perceived wrongs to racial groups. It emphasizes race, specifically, and encourages “poc” to think about themselves as a racial group. Tribalism.

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      5. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Jan 7
        Replying to @Eidotheia @HPluckrose

        Ah, I see what you’re getting at. I disagree tho. MLK was on the right track, and we made some progress towards abandoning the identity game. Yes, the SJ types have dragged us back. But progress for a while came from ignoring identity in favor of humanity.

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      6. SuperSecretSigma‏ @Eidotheia Jan 7
        Replying to @mattguttmanorg @HPluckrose

        MLK advocated a liberal approach: color blindedness. That is directly opposite of the modern left and progressivism.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 7
        Replying to @Eidotheia @mattguttmanorg

        Yes. So we need to get back to liberalism.

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