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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 6

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted The Cheat in a Ghostbusters II Shirt

    It's not remotely narcissistic. The good thing about liberal individualism is that its for *everyone*. It's about supporting the right of everyone to achieve their personal ambitions & not be constrained by their group identity.https://twitter.com/voicehaver/status/949679332737286145 …

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    The Cheat in a Ghostbusters II Shirt @voicehaver
    Liberalism is individualistic. It celebrates personal ambition, pride and the self-love. It is, by its nature, narcissistic. It tells you: being all about your damn fool self is good, even though you're probably, really, just an average human schmuck like the rest of us.
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      2. Kate says stop bombing people, you sick fucks ⚑‏ @KateAlex1984 Jan 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If you care about saving liberalism stop tweeting because you’re only making a case for leftism.

        1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
      3. Héctor E. Alcalá‏ @Hector_E_Alcala Jan 6
        Replying to @KateAlex1984 @HPluckrose

        Her points sound like contemporary libertarianism. Lol.

        2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
      4. Kate says stop bombing people, you sick fucks ⚑‏ @KateAlex1984 Jan 6
        Replying to @Hector_E_Alcala @HPluckrose

        Lol. Yeah pretty much. Every man for himself, amirite!

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      5. Héctor E. Alcalá‏ @Hector_E_Alcala Jan 6
        Replying to @KateAlex1984 @HPluckrose

        *Chewing through litter of puppies* It’s a dog eat dog world! This tastes just like justice and fairness!

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. They aren't booing. They're chanting "SCOOOOOOOT"‏ @Skotchamo Jan 6
        Replying to @Hector_E_Alcala @KateAlex1984 @HPluckrose

        Let's just call it what it is: White Privileged Neo-liberalism.

        0 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
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      1. Ghost Kisser 420  🌹‏ @AThirstyGhost Jan 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This might be valid if everyone were afforded the same opportunities and treated equally regardless of personal wealth, but as we all know that’s not how it works. In practice bougie individualists are allowed to pursue their dreams while the rest of us struggle to survive.

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      1. Niels Bohr‏ @neils_bohr_ Jan 6
        Replying to @punksandwitch @HPluckrose

        Those bearing the hammer & sickle would never have expansionist aspirations, instigating them through regime change, military occupations and genocide via artificial famine. Would they?

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      1. Ben‏ @MrBahn Jan 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        sounds fairly libertarian and very fygm.

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      2. HT4Ecosocialism #GTTO‏ @ht4ecosocialism Jan 6
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Lol! Collectivism strengthens the individual, cooperation makes us stronger and there is no conflict with personal ambitions

        2 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
      3. Popper‏ @PoppertheCat Jan 6
        Replying to @ht4ecosocialism @HPluckrose

        Collectivism defined puts the group over the individuals in the group. "Cooperation" is implicitly individualism. Individualism and working together aren't at odds. Collectivism, however, is at odds with cooperation and personal ambition.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. HT4Ecosocialism #GTTO‏ @ht4ecosocialism Jan 6
        Replying to @PoppertheCat @HPluckrose

        No it isn't. Collectivism is open and democratic - everybody benefits. We need to liberate ourselves from the evils of Liberalism and recognise the common good. One mans 'freedom' is another's slavery.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Popper‏ @PoppertheCat Jan 6
        Replying to @ht4ecosocialism @HPluckrose

        Look up the definition of collectivism. What you believe is why you're a collectivist, but it's not collectivism.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. HT4Ecosocialism #GTTO‏ @ht4ecosocialism Jan 6
        Replying to @PoppertheCat @HPluckrose

        it's nothing to do with belief

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      7. Popper‏ @PoppertheCat Jan 7
        Replying to @ht4ecosocialism @HPluckrose

        It does if you're willfully ignore the definitions of collectivism in favor of ascribing your motivations ("everybody benefits") to it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      8. HT4Ecosocialism #GTTO‏ @ht4ecosocialism Jan 7
        Replying to @PoppertheCat @HPluckrose

        why wouldn't everybody benefit from it?

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      9. Arthur Otke Keim‏ @ArthurOtkeKeim Jan 7
        Replying to @ht4ecosocialism @PoppertheCat @HPluckrose

        Waiting until *everybody* benefits is not collectivism, that's individualism. Collectivism is saying the group's interest outweighs individual interests. You're describing politics with no tradeoffs which is either hopelessly naive or outright bad faith.

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