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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
      Replying to @dsteninger @G_S_Bhogal

      You'd need to set a premise and then you can work things out objectively according to it. The most obvious one is 'Promote wellbeing, avoid harm' but this still isn't really objective because the universe doesn't care if we torture each other to death.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
      Replying to @Atticus_Amber @dsteninger and

      Yes but that's unique to us. If you want to say 'human' rather than 'objective', I'm with you.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
      Replying to @Atticus_Amber @dsteninger and

      Yes, but it's humans who have this morality. Other conscious animals on this planet don't. It's quite possible that life elsewhere does not and that AIs would not. Therefore, not universal. Human.

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    4. Davé‏ @dsteninger Jan 4
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

      Some animals do have some sense of morality, but that's beside the point. It seems to me that suffering and wellbeing are subjective states. Once you grant the premise that that's what we mean by morality, then there are objective answers as to how we can acquire wellbeing.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
      Replying to @Atticus_Amber @dsteninger and

      I love that book and agree with it fully. I am only quibbling over whether it should rightly be called 'objective morality' or 'human morality' and that is far from the most important thing. The important thing is doing it.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
      Replying to @Atticus_Amber @dsteninger and

      As long as we remember we're only looking from one vantage point. If there are numerous lifeforms all over the universe which have evolved so differently, they have almost nothing in common, an objective observer could compare and evaluate.

      6:42 PM - 4 Jan 2018
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Atticus_Amber and

          I find this speculation of limited interest because I am mostly concerned about the lifeforms on this planet but I think it worth recognising that we are very much bound by our own experiences and evolution which we share to a certain degree with other conscious earthlings!

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