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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3

      Psychologists, I would really like to understand why I, someone generally regarded as exceptionally patient, become so immediately and furiously angry with people being blithely incoherent. Why should it matter when I could just ignore them?

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    2. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      This could have many reasons tbh. I suspect because you overestimate a lot of ppl. So expectations aren’t met. But it depends on what your goal is.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      And what is theirs? Big fat chance they are different. Voila, problem.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      Yeah but that's OK if I can understand that. It's when I don't know what they're on about at all. I feel 'How dare you be confusing to me and not let me get at your point?!'

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I meant: Your goal is to understand and make sense of their point. But what if their goal is not to help you understand? And what if they aren’t sure about their own point at all?

      4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      Many people aren’t : 1. As Well spoken 2, as sure of their positions and why 3. Willing to explain 4. Interested in being understood 5. Bothered with understanding you

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      But why would this make me so angry. @Goddoesnt doesn't get this angry. He can just shrug them off as not worth his time. I feel like I want to pin them to a chair and make them explain themselves. (I'm never going to actually do that. Don't notify the police)

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        2. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Well, this is the “you” part. You have expectations. They aren’t met. James doesn’t have this problem, true. You need to accept that some ppl are less intelligent. And some unwilling.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          Well, I can work on that. I'd also be interested to know what is at the root of this being the thing to light my touchpaper tho. Why its so important to me that things make sense even if it doesn't matter - complete stranger with 12 followers.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Yes. You seem a little “obsessed” with those. What if I told you That’s not the important part & probably guesswork? Not even needed to fix it. Would you accept that?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          No. I'd know it was what was important to me and why I was frustrated. I also already know I shouldn't be because it doesn't matter.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          Tamara Brouwer Retweeted Tamara Brouwer

          I suspected as much.https://twitter.com/tamarabrouwer1/status/948716243267317760 …

          Tamara Brouwer added,

          Tamara Brouwer @TamaraBrouwer1
          Replying to @HPluckrose
          I’ve come to realise you’re a mathematical thinker with a psychology interest. This is your problem.
          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 4
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          That’s a problem I share with Helen and why I also get bogged down in pointless discussions. 😔

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 Jan 4
          Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

          But you seem to leave twitter alone dor a while, every time you had such a discussion. Helen doesn’t. I sometimes try to pull you two in some fun twitter banter when this happens. But Helen ignores this and keeps at it, while saying she will stop. But she doesn’t.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 4
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @BristolBen @GodDoesnt

          'Fun Twitter banter' is much akin to small talk. Small talk is OK in small doses but I tire of it quickly and cannot be doing it at all when serious issues are being discussed elsewhere.

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        2. Sander Zuidema‏ @parlementor Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          Maybe because persisting in (un)intended incoherence is a blatant insult to any sane form of conversation?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
          Replying to @parlementor @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          But I don't get angry at blatant insults. I just get contemptuous and go away.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Lee Jussim‏ @PsychRabble Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          Helen&twitterverse: It is one thing when you have this experience with regular everyday people. Your Tweet describes how I feel about many common claims in my home field of social psychology, especially on moralized and politicized topics. (as my recent thread, perhaps, shows).

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Jan 3
          Replying to @PsychRabble @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          Oh yes. That anger is much more justifiable on that level. I also have righteous anger about what is happening to the humanities as my essays show.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1. Ben‏ @BristolBen Jan 4
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

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        1. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin Jan 3
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1 @GodDoesnt

          Actually I kind of wish you would

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