This is because you see a different approach to tackling bad ideas. You think trying to limit their spread more effective than addressing, refuting embarrassing them. I think we're doomed if intellectuals &academics stop addressing them in universities & its left to online debate https://twitter.com/Daniel_Rivieria/status/946014894926700544 …
Yes. You can always show people up for what they really are and show how their arguments don't work. Even if the absolute die-hards are not affected by this, those inclined towards their views but not absolutely committed will be.
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I'm not sure I think most people care about whether their arguments work. I think they care more about their status within their self-chosen tribe. But I may be wrong.
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And that's what can be addressed. They want to present themselves as virtuous and reasonable but this can be challenged and seen to be challenged.
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It strikes me that there's such fundamental distrust between tribes, though, that any critique, no matter how good, gets thrown out as "those people not getting it" or "having their own impure political agendas." Modern discourse starts from an impasse.
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I don't find this to be so. I find that very few people are totally committed to a tribe and most can be reached if you know how to do it. I wrote a thing on this but Areo is undergoing a facelift at the moment so I can't link it.
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I defer to your experience, then. I largely live in an ivory tower (although not the traditional one) with people who have signed on to have their ideas changed. My experience outside is limited to those so stubborn they can't be persuaded.
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I think ideas subtly shift from watching. If you see ideas you once respected made to look unethical and unreasonable, you might move away from those ideas even if its just a little. Modify them. Qualify them. Even trying to rationalise them involves some qualification
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I believe this, too, at my core. It's a good reminder not to let political cynicism eat away at it!
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