Yes, OK, but this is still generally the day that people get together and swap presents and eat Turkey etc. Christians could celebrate the alleged birth of their deity any day too but I don't suggest they should. They can do their thing.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
what is your reason to buy presents on this specific day? you can buy Turkey all year round and arrange get together all year round
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Replying to @johnberkley9759
Tradition. This is what Christmas is in my culture. You can also do those things any day but you have a Christmas tradition too.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
is there a reason behind the tradition of buying presents? you could buy presents for today or yesterday why tomorrow?
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Replying to @johnberkley9759
Because tomorrow is Christmas! The traditions have built up over centuries and have aspects of several pagan festivals, Christianity and consumerism. Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you have a reason to buy presents? Or put up a tree? If you do?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
i buy presents as remembrance of the gifts given to Jesus by the Wise men, i am celebrating to birth of Christ, i just find it weird how atheists latch on to day for christians when they have the whole year to do whatever they do..it all comes down to not wanting to fee left out
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Replying to @johnberkley9759
Christmas is a national holiday. A long established tradition. I've grown up with it but it's never had a religious component for my family. This is how culture works. Christians often have a Christmas tree even though they don't believe in the pagan stuff.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
from this conversation i have gathered that to you its a meaningless tradition (as you havent pointed out any concrete meaning other than consumerism) which you only do because you want to feel part of something and not feel left out
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Replying to @johnberkley9759
It's a nice tradition. It's about family and fun and food and drink and celebration. I haven't thought about feeling left out because I haven't considered not doing Christmas. We've always done it. Do you think I should not do it because it doesn't have a religious meaning to me?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
you're free to do whatever you want, i just find it strange and weird to celebrate (be happy) something that has no meaning to me whatsoever
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Well, obviously, we wouldn't celebrate it if it didn't have any meaning to us whatsoever. Instead, its a family-centred tradition I've celebrated all my life. Father Christmas, reindeer. Excited children. Extended family gathering. Good will and peace to all men.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @johnberkley9759
It only has religious connotations if you’re religious, and most aren’t. And ofc it’s only in English it changed name. Still ”jul” in Swedish for instance. Nothing religious about it for me.
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