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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759 @GSpellchecker

      Tradition. This is when everyone has time off work and gets together and swaps presents and eats & drinks too much.

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    2. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @GSpellchecker

      and actually not everyone does have time of work, restaurants are still open, Starbucks is open, cinemas and pubs are open to

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759 @GSpellchecker

      Yes, OK, but this is still generally the day that people get together and swap presents and eat Turkey etc. Christians could celebrate the alleged birth of their deity any day too but I don't suggest they should. They can do their thing.

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    4. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      what is your reason to buy presents on this specific day? you can buy Turkey all year round and arrange get together all year round

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759

      Tradition. This is what Christmas is in my culture. You can also do those things any day but you have a Christmas tradition too.

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    6. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      is there a reason behind the tradition of buying presents? you could buy presents for today or yesterday why tomorrow?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759

      Because tomorrow is Christmas! The traditions have built up over centuries and have aspects of several pagan festivals, Christianity and consumerism. Do you celebrate Christmas? Do you have a reason to buy presents? Or put up a tree? If you do?

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    8. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      i buy presents as remembrance of the gifts given to Jesus by the Wise men, i am celebrating to birth of Christ, i just find it weird how atheists latch on to day for christians when they have the whole year to do whatever they do..it all comes down to not wanting to fee left out

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759

      Christmas is a national holiday. A long established tradition. I've grown up with it but it's never had a religious component for my family. This is how culture works. Christians often have a Christmas tree even though they don't believe in the pagan stuff.

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    10. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      from this conversation i have gathered that to you its a meaningless tradition (as you havent pointed out any concrete meaning other than consumerism) which you only do because you want to feel part of something and not feel left out

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
      Replying to @johnberkley9759

      It's a nice tradition. It's about family and fun and food and drink and celebration. I haven't thought about feeling left out because I haven't considered not doing Christmas. We've always done it. Do you think I should not do it because it doesn't have a religious meaning to me?

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @johnberkley9759

          Why do you object to people celebrating Christmas differently to you? Most people in the UK aren't religious. We still like Christmas. It makes us happy, brings families together, breaks up the winter. It doesn't hurt you.

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        3. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 24 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @johnberkley9759

          Atheist here, who just sent my kids out the front door with dozens of cookies for neighbors that have “Merry Christmas” on them. Suck it.

          0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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        2. Norma Campbell‏ @johnberkley9759 24 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          you're free to do whatever you want, i just find it strange and weird to celebrate (be happy) something that has no meaning to me whatsoever

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 24 Dec 2017
          Replying to @johnberkley9759

          Well, obviously, we wouldn't celebrate it if it didn't have any meaning to us whatsoever. Instead, its a family-centred tradition I've celebrated all my life. Father Christmas, reindeer. Excited children. Extended family gathering. Good will and peace to all men.

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        4. Stålfreddan‏ @ohhowstupid 25 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @johnberkley9759

          It only has religious connotations if you’re religious, and most aren’t. And ofc it’s only in English it changed name. Still ”jul” in Swedish for instance. Nothing religious about it for me.

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