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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Kareem Sabri

    Yes, probably. Good thing women never try to address masculinity, isn't it? I hate this 'Not for you to say...' shit. Everyone can say. What is presumptuous and entitled is telling other people they don't have the right to express an opinion on anything coz identity.https://twitter.com/kareem_sabri/status/944767452533215232 …

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    Kareem Sabri @kareem_sabri
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    I think in their worldview feminine vis a vis women is defined by each individual woman, it’s not an absolute or well defined set of traits, so for a man to even say you’re unfeminine is mansplaining femininity to you, which of course it’s not up to him to define.
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      1. Kareem Sabri‏ @kareem_sabri 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Absolutely. And of course the irony of holding forth on toxic masculinity and critiquing the male half of the species constantly and in every facet is lost.

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      1. All the scapegoats r gone - wut do?‏ @r_gu_jon 23 Dec 2017
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        OMG each statement on it's own merits with no reference to the race or gender of the source bodymind? The consistent practice of resolving ambiguity with the most charitable read? I enjoy reading your content. Sad seeing authoritarian schema emerge from "equality"

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      1. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch 23 Dec 2017
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        And the opposite argument is equally plausible, and equally wrong: "You can't comment on masculinity because you're a woman." "You can't comment on masculinity because you're a man, so you don't have an objective viewpoint." It's literally the exact same logic.

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      1. Raymond McCue  💗⚤ 💜⚣ 💙,  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RayMcCue 24 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If there's no push-back from an outside group, then those with "right to say" will very likely frame things unfairly towards themselves. There's a reason that critical thinking is important, it curbs excesses/biases (even of ppl of marginal IDs), and gets us closer to the truth.

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      1. Irene Ogrizek‏ @ireneogrizek 24 Dec 2017
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        Yikes. I had a totally frustrating conversation on FB a couple of days ago. Same deal--I was apparently unfit to comment bc of my position on feminism, men. "Mansplaining," needs to have its female mirror: "feminist hearing." I've had to contend with that way too often too.

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      1. Cat got your tail? #FBPE‏ @QuietCanary 23 Dec 2017
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        Quite right too. These folks will bring misogyny back into vogue. I can literally hear little mushrooms of misogyny breaking out in the cellar right now. I'm calling it mycogeny.

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