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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted 𝙋𝙖𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙠 𝙆𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙨𝙨𝙤𝙣  ⚡️

    Not a fan of Cenk & it seems he did say some genuinely sexist, misogynist shit. Not sure a man thinking a night with a lot of breasts in it is a great night is an example of this though.https://twitter.com/patrickesque/status/944197169010982912 …

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    𝙋𝙖𝙩𝙧𝙞𝙘𝙠 𝙆𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙨𝙨𝙤𝙣  ⚡️ @Patrickesque
    This is a direct quote, “I had one of the best nights of my life at Mardi Gras. I kissed over 23 different women, saw and felt countless breasts,” -@cenkuygur 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 https://twitter.com/mrsmaris/status/944195699838681090 …
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      2. Russ Erickson‏ @Russ_Erickson 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Agree on Cenk. Kind of a bully. But, there is no proof anyone was unwilling. I'd say it reflects a bit as objectification, and emotionally callous or superficial. If one allows themself to be used, does it vindicate the responsibility of the user?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Russ_Erickson

        It's ok for men to like breasts. It doesn't imply not respecting their owners as people.

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      4. Russ Erickson‏ @Russ_Erickson 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It's just the bragging about the conquest that leaves a bad impression with me as a bit callous.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Russ_Erickson

        I think it would need to be associated with disrespect for women generally to be a problem. Nothing callous abt enjoying mass sexual encounters generally. At least, I don't think I was callous when I did this & id object to idea it becomes so when straight men do it.

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      6. Russ Erickson‏ @Russ_Erickson 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I've seen guys who tracked women like notches in their belt. It feels exploitative to me.

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      2. Marcus Hultberg‏ @MarcusGHultberg 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But it's clearly a display of hypocrisy, which is the point.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MarcusGHultberg

        Yes. But the point was that it was an example of sexist misogyny. That's the point I disagree with,

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      4. Marcus Hultberg‏ @MarcusGHultberg 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And I agree. But from a neo-feminist approach, a man talking like that would be sexist at best. Considering Cenk’s political associations, I think what this dude is trying to do, is to call out his hypocrisy. I could be wrong :-)

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @MarcusGHultberg

        I think he's saying that men admitting to liking kissing a lot of women and seeing a lot of breasts is evidence of sexist misogyny whether or not this is hypocritical in relation to his stated values.

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      6. Marcus Hultberg‏ @MarcusGHultberg 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I don’t think liking breasts is misogyny, either. However, this is a prime example of leftist hypocrisy. Can’t say what Patrick really feel, of course :-) I just like the fact that it’s out there - sexist or not.

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      1. Ben Pobjie‏Verified account @benpobjie 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I’m mostly concerned by a man who is able to count women but can’t figure out how to count their breasts

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      1. Mike‏ @citation_needed 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I find his habit of denying the Armenian genocide infuriating, but that? Reverse the sexes and Patrick would be pilloried for slut-shaming.

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      1. Chris Baker‏ @Zacnaloen 23 Dec 2017
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        I'm feeling a little jealous if I'm honest

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      1. flabberghosted(Am I an NPC?)‏ @observeaddict 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Is it assumed it wasn’t consensual? This particular quote is an example of getting riled up by the cultural feeding frenzy. This is similar to women glowingly reminisce about their experience at Thunder Down Under at a Vegas Bachelorette Party.

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      1. Harold Weaver Smith‏ @hws5mp 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Depends if those feels & kisses were consensual or not. If they were, then it's a non-story, & I say that as someone who is very definitely NOT a fan of Cenk or TYT.

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      1. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 23 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        actually that does sound like a pretty great night...

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