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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 22 Dec 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Amy Alkon

      It's frightening that this needs to be explained again. There must be something intuitive about condemning people for the sins of their forefathers because it reoccurs so frequently.https://twitter.com/amyalkon/status/944356682548703232 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Amy AlkonVerified account @amyalkon
      Same here. You're responsible for your own behavior. Period. https://twitter.com/BarbaraRKay/status/944355258297438210 …
      9 replies 11 retweets 38 likes
    2. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's almost unbelievable. It's a way to shame people that they just can't come back from. I mean, what's the answer -- "Sorry, let me just fire up my time machine here, and go back & try to talk great-great-great-great gramps into not being such a murderous asshole"?

      3 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    3. Shaun Lawson‏ @shaunjlawson 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @amyalkon @HPluckrose

      Totally agree. But how do US history school syllabuses cover what happened to indigenous peoples, for example?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @shaunjlawson @amyalkon

      By covering it. There is no need to add in that people who weren't born at that time should be blamed now.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Shaun Lawson‏ @shaunjlawson 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon

      How is it covered? In honest, comprehensive detail? Ditto, of course, slavery? There's no need for Germans not around at the time to feel responsible about the Nazis - but they do learn about them and are ruthlessly, rigorously honest with themselves about their nation's past.

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    6. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @shaunjlawson @HPluckrose

      Again, you are not responsible for any behavior but your own. You can work toward change in the present, if you think there are ugly and wrong practices in your country. You are not responsible for your country's past.

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    7. Shaun Lawson‏ @shaunjlawson 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @amyalkon @HPluckrose

      We keep agreeing on that point. You've both completely ignored the actual point I've made throughout.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 22 Dec 2017
      Replying to @shaunjlawson @amyalkon

      What is it? Where do you think we differ?

      5:13 PM - 22 Dec 2017
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        2. Shaun Lawson‏ @shaunjlawson 22 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon

          I'd be absolutely stunned if the US focuses on the many wrong things it's done in its past in the classroom in the way Germany does. The USA is by a million miles, the most loudly patriotic country in the Western world. The American dream depends on believing in its goodness.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 22 Dec 2017
          Replying to @shaunjlawson @amyalkon

          OK. And is patriotism bad? Does it relate to everything a country has done in its past or what it does now? What is it calling good? Is it slavery? I don't live there so I don't know but it looks to me like > 99% of Americans know slavery happened and that it was bad.

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        2. Shaun Lawson‏ @shaunjlawson 22 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @amyalkon

          And for massive swathes of Americans, believing in its goodness means ignoring almost anything inconvenient. HRC: "America is great because America is good". That's not even grown-up.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 22 Dec 2017
          Replying to @shaunjlawson @amyalkon

          Of course. This happens all over. It's known as confirmation bias. Rightists gloss over inconvenient elements of themselves and their history and so do leftists.

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        4. Amy Alkon‏Verified account @amyalkon 22 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @shaunjlawson

          Exactly, Helen.

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