And in common usage, gendered terms are simply a recognition of biological realities (hence being able to identify boys and girls at birth, before self-expression comes into play).
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Replying to @Pathdom
You mean 'he' and 'she'? That can refer to sex or gender or both as they nearly always match.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Right - and my point is that what people mean by gendered terms is quite clearly based on biology, until a small minority of people started complaining that it was a human rights offence to do so.
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Replying to @Pathdom
I don't think we disagree on that, do we? Except that biology also seems to underlie trans identity.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Yes, but that isn't the aspect of biology commonly used to categorise people as men or women.
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Replying to @Pathdom
No, it is still a biological reality though. It's not going away and if we want to understand what constitutes gender identity, it helps to understand the science, even though it is scant & inconclusive right now. We all know people haven't commonly done this or been able to.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I agree on the need for study on the question of subjective sense of gender, but to call this gender identity is to redefine gender identity.
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Replying to @Pathdom @HPluckrose
Gender identity is assigned by society on the basis of sex, as in "It's a boy!" when a male is born.
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Replying to @Pathdom
Yes, we know that. We also trans people exist and the science explaining why is rapidly mounting. It won't go away if we say 'This isn't how we've always done this.'
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Absolutely - I don't expect gender dysphoria to just go away. But I don't think it a solution to make gender meaningless, or to view the traditional meaning of gendered terms human rights offences.
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