The 'trans rights' vs 'women's rights' thing as presented by gender-critical feminists does not represent the reality at all. It would require 'women' to be synonymous with 'gender-critical feminists' when in fact women are not of one mind on gender identity.
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It's much like when ethno-nationalists claim that white people are having their national identity taken from them by force by non-white immigration despite the existence of very many white people who do not see the existence of non-white compatriots as any kind of a problem.
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If 'women' were really in opposition to trans acceptance and 'white people' were really in opposition to immigration, it is very unlikely either of those things could happen because the former groups are much larger and more socially powerful.
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Both of those things are happening though and so it seems much more likely that the zeitgeist, which includes women & white people, is against gender-skepticism and ethno-nationalism.
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The linguistic debate isn't for women to settle, but for all of society. All English-speakers know what we mean by "man" and "woman", "boy" and "girl". Note that no one has a problem identifying newborns as "boys" or "girls", based on biological facts.
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Some have a problem with this. Vast majority of people have a gender identity which matches their genitals tho. They're easily observable whereas other biological facts which impact gender identity - neurological, genetic, hormonal are not but we're learning more all the time
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In terms of a feeling of one's gender, yes - but internal feelings aren't the measure by which English-speakers have traditionally used gendered terms. That is, that isn't what those words mean.
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I think they are. That is how gender differs from sex. Sex= woman. Gender = womanly, feminine. This is the less tangible sense of a gender. If I say 'He is a very masculine man' you know what I mean and that 'man' is his sex & 'masculine' more of a feeling of gender.
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Right, but in keeping with this, would a "trans woman" be happy if I acknowledged that he is feminine?
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And specifically, the "masculine" here, or "be a man", are about gender expression/gender roles.
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Yes, which seems to have a lot to do with the biology of brains and hormones.
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