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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Kristina Harrison

      'Women's right to define their own sex' always seems to mean the right of feminists who don't accept trans identity to define 'woman' for all women. Nope. You can say what you think, of course. Other women will disagree with you.https://twitter.com/kj_harrison/status/942003567648485376 …

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      Kristina Harrison @KJ_Harrison
      Replying to @KJ_Harrison @OwenJones84
      2) Instead of targeting forces reproducing/policing the gender role oppression that underpins transphobia (clue-it isn’t feminists) we’re in effect told there’s a ‘right’ to throw biological science into the trash and remove entirely from women the right to define their own sex.
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017

      The 'trans rights' vs 'women's rights' thing as presented by gender-critical feminists does not represent the reality at all. It would require 'women' to be synonymous with 'gender-critical feminists' when in fact women are not of one mind on gender identity.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017

      It's much like when ethno-nationalists claim that white people are having their national identity taken from them by force by non-white immigration despite the existence of very many white people who do not see the existence of non-white compatriots as any kind of a problem.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017

      If 'women' were really in opposition to trans acceptance and 'white people' were really in opposition to immigration, it is very unlikely either of those things could happen because the former groups are much larger and more socially powerful.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017

      Both of those things are happening though and so it seems much more likely that the zeitgeist, which includes women & white people, is against gender-skepticism and ethno-nationalism.

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    6. Benjamin Stephenson‏ @Pathdom 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The linguistic debate isn't for women to settle, but for all of society. All English-speakers know what we mean by "man" and "woman", "boy" and "girl". Note that no one has a problem identifying newborns as "boys" or "girls", based on biological facts.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Pathdom

      Some have a problem with this. Vast majority of people have a gender identity which matches their genitals tho. They're easily observable whereas other biological facts which impact gender identity - neurological, genetic, hormonal are not but we're learning more all the time

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    8. Benjamin Stephenson‏ @Pathdom 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      In terms of a feeling of one's gender, yes - but internal feelings aren't the measure by which English-speakers have traditionally used gendered terms. That is, that isn't what those words mean.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Pathdom

      I think they are. That is how gender differs from sex. Sex= woman. Gender = womanly, feminine. This is the less tangible sense of a gender. If I say 'He is a very masculine man' you know what I mean and that 'man' is his sex & 'masculine' more of a feeling of gender.

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        2. Benjamin Stephenson‏ @Pathdom 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Right, but in keeping with this, would a "trans woman" be happy if I acknowledged that he is feminine?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Pathdom

          That's a different issue to whether or not gender is in the gonads or in the brain and manifested in the perceptions and presentation.

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        4. Benjamin Stephenson‏ @Pathdom 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Gender is how we use gendered terms, though - no? And this is the crux of contentious debates on pronoun usage.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Pathdom

          Huh?

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        6. Benjamin Stephenson‏ @Pathdom 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That is, the concept of gender is essentially about how we categorise people using gendered terms.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 17 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Pathdom

          No, that's not how I am using 'gender' or how the term is understood as distinct from sex.

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