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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus @HPluckrose

      Note the need to distinguish white evangelical churches from black ones in every meaningful political or sociological study. It’s a clear sign that it’s all about cultural institutions, not theology.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Black evangelicals will share some issues with white evangelicals and not others. Cultural institutions is probably right but this is different to race.

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    3. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That’s a pretty strong statement. What is race if not a cultural institution?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Are you remembering that we're talking about white people voting completely differently depending on whether they were evangelicals or not?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @svenosaurus

      In what way am I, a white atheist, responsible for the values of white evangelical Christians if I vote completely differently to them because I have completely different values?

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    6. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Wrong frame. No one is accusing you (or me, same description) of causing this. You’re essentially making the same argument as “my ancestors didn’t own slaves”.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Then what are we arguing about? I thought your position was that this was a white problem and mine was that it has more to do with values than skin colour?

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    8. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It is an institutional problem. Race and religion are symptoms of those institutions, and can’t be viewed as exogenous factors. That is my position.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Race isn't a symptom of institutions. Its the colour of your skin depending on which part of the world your ancestors came from. How does this relate to the fact that whether or not whites voted for Moore depended on their religion?

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    10. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Race categorization depends on society and its institutions.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Is this relevant here tho? Does America categorise evangelical whites as a different race to non-evangelical whites?

      10:03 AM - 15 Dec 2017
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        2. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Obviously not, but I don’t get the logic of the question. What I’m saying is that both factors are historically conditioned. Is that even controversial?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @svenosaurus

          Is it even relevant? No. I'm going to mute you now because I don't want to forget your name and try to talk to you again. You're either very stoned to the point where you can't follow a conversation or English is a second language. Either way, you're a time waster.

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        4. Intersectional Snark Web‏ @Sexismisme 16 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @svenosaurus

          "Arabs cause terrorism" "Seems a bit strong" "Well, digging deeper: Arab Islamic fundamentalists cause terrorism" "Correlated but the ideology isn't unique to or ubiquitous among Arabs. Why say Arab at all if we can name the ideology itself?" "bla bla orthogonal/exogenous blabla"

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