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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Giovanni Fanfoni

      Hmm. Interesting point. If sexist or gendered stereotypes are banned, will this include bikinis and hijabs. It's all going to get very subjective, isn't it? People taking offence all over the shop.https://twitter.com/GiovanniFanfoni/status/941686141882912769 …

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      Giovanni Fanfoni @GiovanniFanfoni
      Replying to @mlowry @CHSommers and 2 others
      I guess @EvaFernvall that the same ban includes also such "stereotypical gender role" as the women in hijab e.g. for Nike http://time.com/4682139/nike-commercial-women-athletes-hijabs/ … or H&M http://mashable.com/2015/09/28/hm-muslim-hijab-ad/#EDcc8gL8.uqg …
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    2. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Wearing one's clothes is not one's role, though.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @BaileyNagy

      Clothes are gendered and related to roles, yes. Bikinis are to be out, it seems. Seen as sexist because men don't wear them.

      7:55 AM - 15 Dec 2017
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        2. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm referring to the Swedish law in the article. I doubt "stereotypical gender role" includes the wearing of clothes.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @BaileyNagy

          You don't think that was what was meant by 'displayed as a mere sex object'? I think the writer did as the picture is of a woman in a bikini. But hijabs are a gender specific modesty code. Gender-specific modesty codes are a gender role.

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        4. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          (quote) #advertisements should not depict women or men as "mere sex objects", in a "stereotypical gender role" which is degrading, or in other ways which are "degrading and clearly sexist (/q) so no hijab or bikini ban.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @BaileyNagy

          I don't know why you assume the last bit from the first.

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        6. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I can imagine ads featuring women in such clothes that meet none of those criteria. Some ads may fall foul of them, but most certainly wouldn't.

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        2. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          Article seems to say that "stereotypical gender roles" have to be "degrading" in order to fall foul of the law

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        3. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HenryTarquin @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          If the burden of proof is on those who assert something IS degrading, law will create red tape but have no other practical effect

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        4. Henry Fitzgerald‏ @HenryTarquin 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HenryTarquin @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          If

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