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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)

    Sven seems desperate to find a way to blame white non-evangelicals who did not vote for Roy Moore for the white evangelicals who voted for Roy Moore when it comes to the fact that people voted for Roy Moore. This seems very unlikely to be productive.https://twitter.com/svenosaurus/status/941695906382008320 …

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    Gangsters Offing Press (GOP) @svenosaurus
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    That’s a pretty strong statement. What is race if not a cultural institution?
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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

        Race is not a cultural institution. We'd all see the problem with blaming brown Sikhs for the actions of brown jihadis because skin colour doesn't really have much to do with this.

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      2. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You’re desperately trying to twist my words. If you want a productive discussion, don’t base it on a straw man. And stop framing everything in terms of blame.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @svenosaurus

        I'm genuinely not. Can you state where you think we differ then? I have been arguing under the assumption you thought race was more significant to responsibility than values.

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      4. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        At this point I think our fundamental difference is that you see these arguments as personal blame and I see them as diagnosing and addressing systemic problems.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @svenosaurus

        Do non-evangelical whites live under a different system to evangelical ones? You seemed not to blame the religion but whiteness. How does that work?

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      6. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        “Blame” again.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @svenosaurus

        Yes, Sven. This is the topic of conversation. If no-one and nothing is to blame for Roy Moore getting votes and no-one and nothing is to praise for his not getting elected, there is nothing to talk about. It doesn't matter.

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      8. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Let’s consider a different analogy. Suppose the tax system gives you (meaning a subset of people to which you belong) a deduction that helps you But is bad for the society. Would you use it? Even if you think it’s unfair?

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      2. Mike‏ @citation_needed 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Prop 8. Black evangelicals joined white evangelicals and Mormons to ban gay marriage in California. The historical amnesia of these people is infuriating.

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      1. Biosock‏ @No_Appli 15 Dec 2017
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        "Productive" is a social construct aimed to suppress everyone who wants to laze around smoking weed and watch cartoons all day.

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