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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      Another argument on Facebook about whether its reasonable to blame white people for the votes Roy Moore did get. White people as a whole, that is. Their whiteness, specifically.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      I am generally of the opinion it is not even tho there is value in honestly acknowledging certain problems to be overrepresented in certain demographics in order to understand why that may be.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      I think ideas and values are more significant here because they are the things that motivate people and the things that can be changed.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      This has led me to be (gently) accused of not understanding how deeply ingrained race issues are in the American South. This is probably true but these are still ideas and values.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

      We can reasonably attack white supremacy but not being white. I don't know why this is so hard. The distinction between ideas and people is getting harder and harder for more and more people.

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    6. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I think you’re taking it too literally. No one is saying white people vote a certain way because they were born white. The implied reason is a system that rewards their whiteness.

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    7. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus @HPluckrose

      That also implies that white supremacy isn’t just a freely made choice. It is hard to break out of a social mold if you’ve been thoroughly shaped in it.

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    8. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus @HPluckrose

      To dig a level deeper, the voting pattern is more specifically tied to white evangelical Christianity. You could argue that’s ideas, not people, which is literally true, but that’s not how it generally works in reality.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      How does it work in reality then. This seems to be what happened. White evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Moore and non-evangelicals for the Democratic candidate.

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    10. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You seem to treat evangelicalism as something exogenous and orthogonal to race. But it’s a movement purposefully designed to advance the causes of American conservatism, ie benefit the rich and the white.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
      Replying to @svenosaurus

      Because it is. If white evangelicals vote differently to white non-evangelicals, it suggests this is more to do with belief than skin colour.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @svenosaurus

          In the same way, black evangelicals have different values to black secular intersectionals. Had a lot of arguments about that.

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        2. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Belief is endogenous.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @svenosaurus

          To what? Clearly not to white people as those who didn't share the belief didn't vote for Moore. In the same way, we don't blame all brown people for Islamism.

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        4. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That’s a bad analogy. Blaming conditions prevailing in many Muslim-majority countries would be much closer, and it would likely change “we don’t” to “we do”.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @svenosaurus

          Huh? I'm talking about in our countries. I do blame the prevailing conditions in America for white evangelical Christian hypocrisy. Why do you blame all brown people for Islamism?

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        6. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          What in the world are you talking about??? What kind of vile question is that?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @svenosaurus

          What didn't you understand? You said to change 'we don't' to 'we do' if we can blame prevailing conditions. Why? Why would that make it reasonable to blame a whole race for the criminal actions of different ideological zealots?

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        8. Gangsters Offing Press (GOP)‏ @svenosaurus 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Blaming conditions is fundamentally different from - pretty much the opposite of - blaming the people. I’d think that was obvious.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
          Replying to @svenosaurus

          That doesn't make any sense, Sven. How does race come in then? Are we having a language barrier?

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