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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Giovanni Fanfoni

    Hmm. Interesting point. If sexist or gendered stereotypes are banned, will this include bikinis and hijabs. It's all going to get very subjective, isn't it? People taking offence all over the shop.https://twitter.com/GiovanniFanfoni/status/941686141882912769 …

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    Giovanni Fanfoni @GiovanniFanfoni
    Replying to @mlowry @CHSommers and 2 others
    I guess @EvaFernvall that the same ban includes also such "stereotypical gender role" as the women in hijab e.g. for Nike http://time.com/4682139/nike-commercial-women-athletes-hijabs/ … or H&M http://mashable.com/2015/09/28/hm-muslim-hijab-ad/#EDcc8gL8.uqg …
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      2. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Wearing one's clothes is not one's role, though.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @BaileyNagy

        Clothes are gendered and related to roles, yes. Bikinis are to be out, it seems. Seen as sexist because men don't wear them.

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      4. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm referring to the Swedish law in the article. I doubt "stereotypical gender role" includes the wearing of clothes.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @BaileyNagy

        You don't think that was what was meant by 'displayed as a mere sex object'? I think the writer did as the picture is of a woman in a bikini. But hijabs are a gender specific modesty code. Gender-specific modesty codes are a gender role.

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      6. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        (quote) #advertisements should not depict women or men as "mere sex objects", in a "stereotypical gender role" which is degrading, or in other ways which are "degrading and clearly sexist (/q) so no hijab or bikini ban.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @BaileyNagy

        I don't know why you assume the last bit from the first.

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      8. Adrian Bailey‏ @BaileyNagy 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I can imagine ads featuring women in such clothes that meet none of those criteria. Some ads may fall foul of them, but most certainly wouldn't.

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      1. Giovanni Fanfoni‏ @GiovanniFanfoni 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Generally speaking @EvaFernvall @CHSommers @mlowry banning something is rarely a good idea. It should be the last resort. Rather, we should try to help people to "have the courage to use their own understanding" http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/CCREAD/etscc/kant.html …

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      1. [Ravi] {{{Oli}}}‏ @SatyreContraire 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You know what's stereotypically feminine ? Having a baby. We might have a probleme on the long game here.

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      1. Mike‏ @citation_needed 15 Dec 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        One option might be to just stop giving a shit. Just a thought.

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