Oh god, the argument is still going on on Facebook. Apparently, the options are 'cis people are obsessed with gender' or 'trans people face no prejudice for not conforming to the gender norms expected of them.'
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Conversation getting increasingly dishonest. Trans person said they were confused by my argument. I agreed they were very confused & clarified point. Now accused of saying they are confused because they're trans. This is a sign of my privilege, obviously.
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Here's a question for you (an actual question, not a dick rhetorical one): Are some biological imperatives also moral ones (e.g. a woman's desire to have children)?
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Having children is morally neutral. But our morality comes from our biology. Our prefrontal cortex mostly. Gives us fairness, empathy, compassion etc.
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I don't think it is. I think it's overwhelmingly seen as a moral positive, in that it is the greatest responsibility that we have. Not only that, but we choose long term mates in large part based on our judgement of them as potential parents.
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Having children can certainly be seen as a moral positive but we don't actually have any responsibility to perpetuate our species. Another argument is that humans are so bad for other life on this planet, we have a moral responsibility to reduce our impact by not having children.
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I must admit I am slightly astonished at this response. If we have a responsibility to the next generation, then don't we have a responsibility that there is a next generation? As for your environmental nihilism, I tend to view humans as a net good (I am on team human).
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No. The responsibility to care for the children we do have is not a responsibility to have children. This is fairly consistent. We nearly always have responsibility for things we have done but not the responsibility to do everything that responsibility needs to be taken for.
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the blame game is strong with the non-binary people, mostly because of this culture of victimhood that is so prevalent online. if we stop pointing fingers at each other, and sit down to talk, then maybe, just maybe we'll have a constructive conversation
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I agree with all you say, but good luck trying to get people to appreciate the intellectual distinction between "X as a norm is OK" and "anything departing from norm X is not OK"....
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