Those of us who consider ourselves liberal in the broadest sense of favouring equal rights, freedoms & opportunities must not allow social progress to be associated with the far-left any more than we should allow freedom of speech to be associated with the far-right.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ianpacemain
'Progress' is a fundamentally left-wing idea
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Replying to @vampireslugger @ianpacemain
It's liberal. The centre-right often wants things to get better too. I am left bug not far-left. I don't seek revolution but steady progress of the kind we've seen in the last 50 years.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ianpacemain
Well liberalism was left wing until the 20th century. Historically, most conservatives would have found the idea of 'social progress' anathema. It implies a departure from social order and hierachy, religion, tradition etc. Your position is left-wing, which is fine
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but I don't think it's even centrist. It's definitely, clearly Left
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Replying to @vampireslugger @ianpacemain
Don't think what is even centrist? Social progress? Maybe tho I'm pleased to know many conservatives to supported same sex marriage & the right to die. But my point was that liberals can't let the far-left loons own this concept.
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Enlightenment liberals, classical liberals, universal liberals also want social progress. This is not owned by radical lefties.
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Replying to @vampireslugger @ianpacemain
I'm not sure what you're arguing with. I'm saying there is a liberal left and a radical left now and the radicals don't own the aim for social progress. This is inherent in liberalism.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @ianpacemain
Perhaps it's semantic, but I'm not sure what constitutes 'far left' or 'far right'. I'd consider liberalism, as a force in the last few centuries, to be radical and left-wing. Socialism is something else, and has often been more socially conservative than liberalism.
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Then you're simply missing the different branches on the left, Marxists/socialists, PoMos, liberals. The liberals and the radicals and the postmodernists draw on very different intellectual histories.
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