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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      The average British man is 69 inches tall & so it is universally acknowledged that men are taller than women even tho I am 69 inches tall and my closest male friend 65 inches tall. The difference exists, is expected and is remarked upon when it doesn't hold up as it often doesn't

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      The same seems to be true of psychological differences tho obviously they vary in degree but we (nearly) all speak both empathetically AND factually, we (nearly) all like things AND people, we nearly exercise both cautious & risk-taking behaviour.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      Steven Pinker on this.pic.twitter.com/iuZDdLsaQ0

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      But those differences are significant and do affect our lives, our job choices and our relationships. If we don't acknowledge them, we'll be forever looking for the wrong solutions to problems and looking for solutions to problems that aren't problems.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      But to go too far the other way and insist that men and women are fundamentally different psychologically neglects the far greater degree to which we are the same and can result in a loss of shared humanity and individuality in our thinking.

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    6. Harold Weaver Smith‏ @hws5mp 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      This is one of the points of James Damore's much-maligned Google Memo. His overlapping bell curves were included specifically to illustrate HOW MUCH they overlap & thereby argue that m/f differences wern't an excuse for gendered discrimination (1/2)

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @hws5mp

      Yes, exactly. Again, with the height example, our differences often look very much like this.pic.twitter.com/QPFIwpfjd0

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    8. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @hws5mp

      In your bell curve example, the variable is height. What was the variable in the bell curve chart james damore had in the memo? As i remember it was data free rendering of a chart, not an actual chart.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Clarissa10027 @hws5mp

      Yes, I think it was just a symbol of what different distributions actually look like.

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    10. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @hws5mp

      Yes, so I'm curious how he proves anything about different distributions between m & f without even showing which variable he's talking about.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Clarissa10027 @hws5mp

      Well, its a lot more than just the chart. That (I think) was just to show the difference between how people imagine gender - two distinct lines - and how it actually is - overlapping hugely.

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        2. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @hws5mp

          It's NOT a lot more than just the chart. It was not even an actual chart. It was a drawing of a chart. Is it how people do science these days? You just make a claim, draw a mock chart, expect the reader to imagine the rest and accept the conclusion? Something's missing here.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Clarissa10027 @hws5mp

          Yes, a lot more. Here it is. Follow links. https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/08/10/the-google-memo-what-does-the-research-say-about-gender-differences/ … The diagram was an illustration of the error in understanding populations. It was a memo on a forum for discussing diversity issues, not a scientific paper (tho it cited several).

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        4. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @hws5mp

          Meta analysis says the gender diff on ability is almost nil.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Clarissa10027 @hws5mp

          Yep, its interest which differs. This has been known for some time. You can see it in schools.

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        6. Harold Weaver Smith‏ @hws5mp 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Clarissa10027

          Damore's overall point was that gender imbalances in tech might be the result of several factors, differing m/f interests being the most concrete, and that concentrating on systemic sexism as the one-and-only possible cause was therefore never going to work.

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        7. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hws5mp @HPluckrose

          So, of the three factors - ability, motivation, opportunity - is it only motivation damore says is causing disparity in career choice? Does this theory also apply to disparity among different races? google has a CS programs for teens/youths. that's not just focusing on sexism.

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        8. Harold Weaver Smith‏ @hws5mp 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @Clarissa10027 @HPluckrose

          No, he was critiquing policies trying to increase the number of women in tech because they focussed exclusively on sexism and ignored all other factors. He was trying to reintroduce a range of other factors into the discussion. Race wasn't the subject so he didn't address it.

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        9. Alois‏ @Clarissa10027 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hws5mp @HPluckrose

          As a private company, what kind of policies does google have in place to increase # of women in tech? What are those policies exactly?!?

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