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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      Men and women really are *much* more alike psychologically than different but we notice subtle differences more than we notice similarities which we just take for granted.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      I think height differences are often a good analogy for psychological differences. It is frequently commented how tall I am. I am 69 inches tall and the average British woman is 65 inches tall. This is really a very tiny difference but people notice it.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017

      The average British man is 69 inches tall & so it is universally acknowledged that men are taller than women even tho I am 69 inches tall and my closest male friend 65 inches tall. The difference exists, is expected and is remarked upon when it doesn't hold up as it often doesn't

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    4. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      A problem with this analogy is that height is easy to measure and accurately observe for lay ppl. Differences in personality traits are a lot harder to measure accurately for random ppl and is thus subject to lots of confirmation bias and other effects.

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    5. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @lessdismalsci @HPluckrose

      And of course people modify their behavior based on social expectations but not their height, so personality traits have a high degree on endogeneity.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @lessdismalsci

      That's why height is easier to use to demonstrate the point, yes. No-one denies it or claims its subjective.

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    7. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's an OK starting point, but it's really easy to jump from height to personality traits and get an overly strong sense of how much observed difference can be confidently attributed to nature. Humans aren't good at ambiguity and overweight known factors given the opportunity.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @lessdismalsci

      I'm not suggesting jumping or assuming. You'd need to go with the evidence of psychological difference which is getting updated all the time.

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    9. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'm suggesting more as a daily heuristic that it makes sense to consciously underrate (though not ignore, of course) the extent to which individual differences are gender based in order to try and minimize the overall error in our attribution.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
      Replying to @lessdismalsci

      On a daily basis, go for individuality every time. On the level of understanding gender differences, go with the evidence on gender differences.

      6:09 AM - 6 Dec 2017
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        2. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I guess I'm less confident than you about how easy it is to disentangle the two.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @lessdismalsci

          I'm not confident of this at all. Hence having a thread about the problem of people having all or nothing takes on this rather than recognising that we are overlapping populations with trends. Where do you think we disagree?

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        4. Turduckin Recursion‏ @lessdismalsci 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think the evidence for differences is real but vastly overstated and that even when looking at group level differences it's far too easy to attribute stuff to biology. For example, at Google they aren't drawing from the population as a whole, they are drawing from the extreme

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 6 Dec 2017
          Replying to @lessdismalsci

          I think some people overstate it and some understate or even deny it. That's what I'm talking about right now.

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