Surprisingly often, I get criticisms that my arguments about what we should do fail because people aren't doing them. eg Me: We (liberal lefties) should apply liberal principles consistently. OP: You're wrong because evidence of this not happening. Me: ????
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It should be clear that I would not be arguing that we should do certain things if these things were already universally accepted and done. What would be the point?
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I'm unsure of the psychology underlying this tendency to respond to an argument for something with assertions that its not already the case but I think it might be a tribal unwillingness to think in terms of fixing a problem on a side you just want to shit on.
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The other day someone responded to my point that we need to be able to address human rights issues in Islam honestly with 'Oh yeah? Try criticising Islam on the BBC and see if you still have a job.' What is going on in the mind here?
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Sounds to me like he was saying “it’s simply not possible to do that currently because of the institutional forces against it.”
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Defeatist on tackling it any way other than radical.
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