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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @JamesHeartfield and

      If you are going to insist that things are ethical if they have widespread support and no widescale opposition, you have to concede that slavery, the persecution of homosexuals & the denial of rights to women were once ethical & still are in some places.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

      I insist that parents have the right to circumcise their boys, and you would find it difficult to refute me. Their rights are right there, in the law.

      5 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

      But we are not arguing about what the law says but about what is ethically right and the bases we have for arguing that. FGM has been outlawed in many places because it was accepted as unethical. The same can happen with MGM. Do you have an argument against?

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    4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

      I think if you are going to make an argument that the law is wrong, and that there is a higher ethical principle that should override the law, then you ought to make it

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Choose Intact‏ @ChooseIntact 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @HPluckrose and

      What do you think we’ve been doing? Re: harm, ethics, …

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ChooseIntact @HPluckrose and

      Ok, well, from what I have heard, it doesn't seem to be very compelling

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Oirish_M @JamesHeartfield and

      I'm out. 'Because its custom and because it's legal' is a unthinking conservative justification. You can't argue with it unless an ethical justification is given.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @Oirish_M @JamesHeartfield and

      Let me test a hypothesis. The wrong side of history.

      11:33 AM - 26 Nov 2017
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        2. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          Yes, murder is illegal, too. But I am not convinved that this is a bad injunction, just because most people hold to it. I suppose you would call the bar on murder conservative and unthinking.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

          ...no. We don't say murder is wrong because its a custom & lots of people think its bad. We say it's wrong because it kills people and we have principles around harm and human rights... There is an argument against it. You don't have one for MGM yet.

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        4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          When you say 'we have principles...' - those are manifested in laws.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

          Some are, some aren't! If all of your principles are manifested in current laws, ok, but you still need to argue for them ethically in a discussion about the ethics of MGM. Just pointing out the law isn't an ethical argument.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JamesHeartfield and

          I'd also legalised certain drugs & prostitution & the right to die with dignity and improve freedom of speech laws.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @Oirish_M @JamesHeartfield and

          Seems not!

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