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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ChooseIntact @HPluckrose and

      Well, sure, you want to change the law. I can't see the point, myself. There's no harm. Parents are best placed to make those decisions on behalf of the infant children they love and care for.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

      No, they're not. There are right and wrong answers here. Parents can be right or wrong in their choices. We tend to see this when it comes to female genital mutilation but not male.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

      I think that the comparision with Female Genital Mutilation is tempting but wholly misguided. FGM is - despite some campaigners' claims - relatively restricted in its sway, and I suggest, positively harmful. >>

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @HPluckrose and

      >> I guess some will say that's contradictory. But the evidence of widespread opposition to FGM and support for male circumcision is not evidence of hypocrisy, it is evidence that they are two different things.

      4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Choose Intact‏ @ChooseIntact 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @HPluckrose and

      This isn’t a way to address your mistaken claim that there is no harm. Arguing that a defense is unprincipled-but-at-least-it’s-popular hardly makes it better, either. Non-therapeutic genital cutting without consent is unethical. Excluding anyone from that is hypocrisy.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ChooseIntact @HPluckrose and

      I think I can decide how I will address the argument.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

      You have the right to, obviously. It just doesn't work.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

      It doesn't work for you.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

      It doesn't work logically. I don't have my own logic.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

      If you think that a parent has no right to agree a tonsillectomy, grommets or ear piercings it doesn't work logically, but they do have that right.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
      Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

      I can just think consistently that parents have no right to order a medically unnecessary surgical procedure on a child who is too young to consent & in nearly every other case, the law upholds this. They have no right to withhold medically necessary surgery either.

      11:11 AM - 26 Nov 2017
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        2. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          I don't think 'medically unnecessary' is as strict a definition as you think. Under the NHS lots of cosmetic surgery is considered medically necessary.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

          Make an argument for it being ethical to perform cosmetic surgery on baby boys' genitals but not baby girls, if you can.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          I don't have to. One is legal, the other is not.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

          Of course you don't have to make an ethical argument for MGM. If you don't have one, there's nothing further to discuss.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          This is the Scottish Government's position http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2008/02/14143159/3 …

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @JamesHeartfield @ChooseIntact and

          We have explained many times that we are not arguing that MGM is not a legal right but that it shouldn't be. You could show how homosexuality is illegal in some places but we'd still argue it should be. Coz this is a discussion of rights that should exist, not ones that do.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. JamesHeartfield‏ @JamesHeartfield 26 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ChooseIntact and

          I’m pretty sure that Metro Goldwyn Mayer is a legal entity

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