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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Nov 2017

    How the hell does my claim that women are not an oppressed class of victims get read repeatedly as one that women who are victims of sexual violence can go fuck themselves?

    4:35 AM - 23 Nov 2017
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Nov 2017

        My concerns abt victimhood-as-status ideas are two-fold. 1) It leads believers to claim to be victimised by everything thereby making women appear unable to cope with mundane annoyance or even well-intended awkwardness.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Nov 2017

        2) It encourages women who have been victims of sexual violence to sink utterly under it rather than to strive to recover from it with appropriate support.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 23 Nov 2017

        The last one is the one which gets misunderstood most. People read it as telling women to just get over it dismissively rather than encouraging them to do so supportively.

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      2. Kathryn Hogan‏ @KathrynmHogan 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it's something to do with the idea that humans are blank slates, therefore violence against women is gendered and root cause is patriarchy, therefore women are oppressed, therefore denying oppression is denying gravity of violence. With I disagree with btw.

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      3. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @KathrynmHogan @HPluckrose

        Yes but it's precisely that we're not blank slates ie that due to reproductive role women are regarded as treasured objects, precious property, highly valued but passive, that there is a strong tendency to view them as helpless victims. Irony. Feminism seems to reinforce this.

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      1. Jean D‏ @k6v12 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        You see people as individuals first and as part of a group second. They see people as part of a group first and as individuals second.

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      1.  🎶Kellie Kellie Kellie 🎶‏ @kelliegirl1069 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Liberal translation issue? Maybe yours words don't translate well to Leftspeak. That happens a lot between languages. For example, Spanish for "I'm hungry" is actually said as "I have hunger." So don't worry too much. Most know what you meant.

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      1. Chris Northern: Not Prince Hamlet‏ @C_Northern 23 Nov 2017
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        The misinterpretation of your perfectly clear sentence is a consequence of Postmodernism, perhaps. All interpretations are equally possible thus valid. Or, stated from the other direction, Nothing means anything. Welcome to the 21st Century.

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      1. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 23 Nov 2017
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        Well.... if this👇🏻 is your world, that makes sense. 🤷🏼‍♀️pic.twitter.com/6PON5o5r80

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      1. jeffrey churchill‏ @chilljat 23 Nov 2017
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        There is art to stretching an opinion to make it cover almost anything and many on twitter are gifted at it.

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      1. Tomas De Torquemada‏ @TomasDeTorque 23 Nov 2017
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        I think it’s your audience. It’s not you, it’s them...

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      1. Virgil Scott‏ @thevirg83 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Because people want to find hidden meaning in everything. They can’t buy the fact that someone might actually be saying what they mean to be saying.

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      1. Jane kelly‏ @Janekelly25 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I have no idea

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      1. Movietime Blues‏ @Movietime_Blues 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        The idea of adult females having agency is problematic to feminists as it takes away the power of victimhood politics. Akin to antisemites scapegoating Jews.

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      1. Yenrap Rellin‏ @sisboombahbah 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Because twitter is a crackhouse and almost everyone who responds to you is a crackhead.

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      1. Steven Macks‏ @semacks 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "SO YOU'RE SAYING (thing I never said)" Twitter really is the worst Twitter

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      1. Stefanie Nicholas ☩‏ @StefMNicholas 23 Nov 2017
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        👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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      1. T.J.‏ @tjaffry 23 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm having samilar problems trying to encourage a friend to be more critical of feminism & the left in general. Any advice? 😕

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