Are Women Really Victims? Four Women Weigh In | @HPluckrose @hollyroseashe @amyalkon @clairlemonhttp://quillette.com/2017/11/22/women-victims-four-women-respond/ …
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You are the one claiming women are "wallowing" victims. GC is a survivor befitting of conversation far superior to what you have to offer
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No, I'm not! I'm arguing that we are much stronger than this & need to resist that narrative which comes from a feminist ideology rejected by the majority of women.
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Feminist theory teaches us anything but victimhood. What are you even talking about?
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Or try this one. https://areomagazine.com/2017/10/17/androphobia-and-how-to-address-it/ … If you subscribe to a form of feminism which doesn't claim western women to be living in a patriarchal rape culture.
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..that's great. The dominant voices do tho.
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'weaponized victimhood' is a great way to express it.
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I can have sympathy for anyone who is unable to overcome a traumatic experience but we must not valorise this & make wallowing in it positively ennobling.
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I spent six months in counselling and have PTSD but I guess that just makes me an idiot for daring to have been assaulted by a man?! Fuck you
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How did you get from 'have sympathy for' to 'consider an idiot.' Those aren't the same thing at all.
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Also, victims are victims ONLY in those moments in which their agency is being robbed from them. Every single other moment of victimhood in life is a CHOICE. Further, victimhood can never be conferred; only assumed.
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I think it's more complicated than that, in general reminding me of Erving Goffman's "Stigma"
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Have only lightly parsed Stigma (after a previous comment) but have the same general sense in response here: that work is an increasingly inapplicable anachronism--in modern/"free" societies, in particular. Again: I reject, outright, the premise that victimhood can be conferred.
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Yeah it's from the 60s but my understanding is that he agrees: it's applied by the self
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Helen you are spot on. Thank you for articulating what I feel so well!!
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For real victims, it's tough to read this, and could even be infuriating, but a little calm introspection does reveal, as it did to me, that 'victimhood' holds one back and enfeebles. So I now agree wholeheartedly with this article.
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1 Compare it to boys and men. The bully, prank, challenge, beat, interrupt, and-so-forth each other, establish a hierarchy, and yet only a scant few call themselves victims (or "survivors"); neither is running to the teacher celebrated. Somewhat different among girls and women.
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*the[y] /// 2 Worth considering what's better (there are trade-offs, naturally). But the rhetorics of discrimination and social construction make even that impossible, by pretending sameness.
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