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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Internet Denizen‏ @slacker3141 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EricRWeinstein and

      That's not the point he was making. Rather that most of the Male STEM optimized minds already work in STEM so the largest group of STEM optimized minds that don't already work in STEM are not males.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @slacker3141 @EricRWeinstein and

      Oh, I see! That makes more sense from a cultural constructivist viewpoint & societies which do limit by gender do limit their pool of talent to their detriment. Of course, there is very little reason to think we live in one.

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    3. Internet Denizen‏ @slacker3141 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EricRWeinstein and

      Maybe there isn't but there are measurable benefits to our Society in getting those STEM optimized minds not already in STEM to be properly incentivized to work in the field.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @slacker3141 @EricRWeinstein and

      That's why we did that. Women know their own minds. If they don't want to do STEM, that's fine too. They're more likely to have other skills too and more choice.

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    5. Internet Denizen‏ @slacker3141 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EricRWeinstein and

      I think the point is that the current incentives aren't sufficient to bring enough STEM optimized non-males into the field.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @slacker3141 @EricRWeinstein and

      Might have to accept that. Gender differences exist. We have trouble getting enough male nurses too. Ultimately, I am a believer in the rights of the individual to pursue their own fulfilment so cannot support pressuring women into STEM (or men into nursing)

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    7. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @slacker3141 and

      Helen, no one is pressuring women into STEM. If you don't like STEM you can avoid it. Yet, MANY women who are great at STEM also like it. We need 'em.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @slacker3141 and

      That was the conversation I was having, Eric. Someone was saying women have a responsibility to go into STEM whether they want to or not because they are underrepresented & it's a cause of the wage gap. I was disagreeing. My daughter is going into STEM coz she loves maths & tech.

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    9. Eric Weinstein‏Verified account @EricRWeinstein 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @slacker3141 and

      Awesome for your daughter! My guess is that Miriam was talking about women who already love STEM, but who get put off by the career path as it needs to be reconfigured. But she can certainly contradict me if I have that wrong....

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    10. Miriam Makhyoun‏ @MiriamMakEnergy 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @EricRWeinstein @HPluckrose and

      That's correct, Eric. If I were to rewrite my original Tweet, I would change out the word "responsibility" for "opportunity."

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @MiriamMakEnergy @EricRWeinstein and

      We argued about this for ages. If your point is that all women should have the opportunity to go into STEM, we are in full agreement.

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        1. Miriam Makhyoun‏ @MiriamMakEnergy 13 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EricRWeinstein and

          Responsibility still comes into play once the decision is made. To some extent, it can feel like swimming upstream to be a minority in a job sector, but women have the tools to succeed today so if they want it they have to go get it. This was not always the case.

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