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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

    I don't actually see a moral imperative to perpetuate the species, let alone my own race, culture, nationality.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

        I feel some responsibility to humans who exist now but none to ensure that more do in the future.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

        So I can't really join the moral panic about declining birth rates. Aside from practical issues around an aging population, this is morally neutral.

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      2. Dr Alan Druncker‏ @VniVdiChestnuts 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @GlasgowAlbum

        Wait.. is anyone claiming there is a moral imperative to squeeze out sprogs?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @VniVdiChestnuts @GlasgowAlbum

        Yes! Social conservatives generally. Those who talk of 'white genocide' particularly.

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      4. Dr Alan Druncker‏ @VniVdiChestnuts 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @GlasgowAlbum

        My word.. extraordinary

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @VniVdiChestnuts @GlasgowAlbum

        I don't mean all social conservatives but when you find people lamenting low birthrates & blaming a sexual revolution and feminism, they are social conservatives.

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      6. Dr Alan Druncker‏ @VniVdiChestnuts 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @GlasgowAlbum

        In my experience there tends to be a racial aspect to this. These people would be happy with certain races having low birth rates.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @VniVdiChestnuts @GlasgowAlbum

        Very often, yes, but not always and this is also a concern of non-white, often religious, social conservatives

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 13 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @VniVdiChestnuts @GlasgowAlbum

        Muslims have often argued this to me, for example, because of a culture in which having children and continuing family line is seen as very important in itself. They don't usually racialise this or make it unique to Muslims.

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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @GrowTheFuckUp66

        Then they can.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
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        You realise I'm talking about having children?

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @GrowTheFuckUp66

        I see the need to perpetuate secular liberal democracy!

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
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        And that is my focus.

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      2. Thomas Cortellesi  🎃 🇦🇶‏ @tcortellesi 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @salonium

        Do you see human progress (take it how you like) as a moral imperative?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @tcortellesi @salonium

        Yes.

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      4.  🌴Baloo the Bear 🌴‏ @_Baloo_The_Bear 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @tcortellesi @salonium

        So we have an obligation to improve ourselves, but it's fine if we die out? I'm not seeing the connection here

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @_Baloo_The_Bear @tcortellesi @salonium

        There isn't one. Just as every human has an obligation to care for the humans they create but not an obligation to create humans so we have an obligation to make things better for humans that exist but not to ensure that we always do.

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      6. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @_Baloo_The_Bear @tcortellesi

        The suffering of individuals matters to me but the fact that they're part of the same species as me doesn't really

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @salonium @_Baloo_The_Bear @tcortellesi

        Does it not? I find I do empathise with my own species more than the others, the possible exception being dogs.

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      8. Saloni  🎃‏ @salonium 12 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @_Baloo_The_Bear @tcortellesi

        Yes but that's by extension of being able to understand them better rather than simply that they're human per se... I think.

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