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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      I want to study gender because there are things to know about it and discovering/learning them is very interesting. This is the only justification one needs for studying a thing. HOWEVER...

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      There are also very many useful applications of a better understanding of gender, biologically and socially. Being less wrong about how humans work and how society does can only be a good thing.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      Having and using biological findings and empirical data on societal roles and norms can improve social policies, hiring policies, gender relations.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      Ideologues fear that if we discover where men & women differ on average and where we are the same, it will affect social policy in ways they won't like. It might, but only if you want absolute gender roles or no gender differences at all.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      Most often I hear from feminists who fear that acknowledging that men & women have different distributions of cognitive, psychological & behavioural traits on average will lead to discrimination against women. This is misguided.

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017

      They point to people in the past & present who said/say that women are unsuited to responsibility in the public sphere & should just have babies but those people were/are wrong. Understanding biological gender differences reveals them to be wrong. Get out of the way.

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    7. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      What about when (if) understanding biological gender differences reveals a similar proposition to be right...? Let's say we find that women on average have higher intelligence than men. Assuming I'm an employer looking to hire, I should evaluate applicants based on...

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    8. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ericvonotter @HPluckrose

      individual merit (we're talking population averages, after all). However, wouldn't it be more efficient for me to call to interview less men? Assuming the position benefit from intelligence, that is?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ericvonotter

      No, I don't think so. You would ask for certain evidence of fitness for the job and know that more of one sex than the other were likely to meet them but that there would be both because we're overlapping populations.

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    10. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Sure, there would certainly be suitable candidates from both sexes. But, all other things being equal, there is a higher chance of a suitable candidate from one of the populations. Thus I'd call *less* men (proportional to pop. avg. diff, say 45-55) not exclusively women.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ericvonotter

      You would? I don't know then. Do you think we should pretend gender differences don't exist to prevent this from happening?

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        2. Eric von Otter  🔬‏ @ericvonotter 12 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Poorly phrased by me, I'm asking if it wouldn't be the best & most efficient way to conduct interviews, not suggesting i'd do it that way. And as for your second point, I don't suggest pretending anything, but it at least gives me pause.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 12 Nov 2017
          Replying to @ericvonotter

          Yes, OK. I have been thinking that people's CVs would speak for themselves but maybe some would think this way. And maybe it would be more efficient to do so. In that case, we'd need an additional ethical element.

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        4. Ritchie Young‏ @ritchiey 12 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ericvonotter

          But you wouldn’t know what other employers were doing. They could have discriminated too much and reversed the situation. I think you’d be better off ignoring that data point.

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        5. Beans Morocco‏ @neiltwit 12 Nov 2017
          Replying to @ritchiey @HPluckrose @ericvonotter

          Lost track - ignoring what data point? Overlooking qualified individuals based on group-wide attributes is foolish.

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