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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017

      No, no, no. You cannot reasonably say 'I believe in objective truth and also that subjective, erroneous things can be true.' You can muck about with the word 'truth' until you give the impression this makes sense but, in fact, it does not.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017

      This is another slight of hand. 'I believe in objective truth. Look! Here is thing I believe that has much scientific evidence. I also believe all these other unsubstantiated beliefs are true and that there are different ways of knowing.' Then you deny the objectivity of truth

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017

      One could say 'I believe cats are mammals & that other mammals are not cats' but you believe in mammals but not the 'catness' of mammals. Equally 'I believe in objective truth & other truths that are not objective' means you believe in truth but deny the objectivity of truth.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017

      Therefore, someone who is criticised for denying objective truth is really being accused of denying the *objectivity* of truth, not denying the truth of things which have been established (provisionally) to be objectively true. Tho many do that too.

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        2. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Who's the target here, Helen? Thx.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @EnlightFundy

          It can be postmodernists or Jordan Peterson or theologians. Probably more.

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        4. (((Just a Flâneur))) [All Hallows’ #Blockchain]‏ @EnlightFundy 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Understood. I don't know Peterson's work, though I agree w/ him on the pronouns. I get that people want their unique (more likely "unique") situation acknowledged, but there's a contract w/ one's fellow humans, and reasonableness is part of it.

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        2. Dr Z.O.‏ @Tubbtastic 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          It depends. It always pissess me off to hear ‘my’ truth. An utterance either corresponds to & accurately depicts reality or it does not. There is no ‘your’ truth. However, ‘my’ truth often just means ‘I think there something to position Q’ & that’s fine.

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        3. Dr Z.O.‏ @Tubbtastic 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @Tubbtastic @HPluckrose

          Where the ‘something to’ means some kind of important value. In this context ‘truth’ is irritating, undisciplined and often confusing. However, that’s the world we live in. In this context, ‘subjective’ truth can be meaningfully discussed.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @Tubbtastic

          Yes but not conflated.

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        2. Brian Damage‏ @johncouch_john 11 Nov 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          What the hell are you babbling on about?..

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        3. William J  🐸 🐻‏ @Wandering_Raven 11 Nov 2017
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          She's trying to sort out @jordanbpeterson on the idea of objective truth and metaphysical truth. And obviously having a hard time with it. I would suggest the JRE episode where @BretWeinstein and JBP talk about it, but she doesn't like my suggestions 😜

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