Harris is strictly an empiricist to the point where he's entirely opposed to any sort of non-empirical conclusions as he associated them with theology. Peterson is a clinical psychologist. He lives in a world where empirical research mixes with human psychology to provide insight
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On the subject of what is true.
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I'm not sure what's unclear. Harris is strictly empirical and rejects non-empirical notions of truth. Peterson is empirical while accepting that non-empirical notions of truth exist.
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It seems the difference is sharper. Both accept that such "notions" exist. Harris denies they have any basis in reality, Peterson doesn't.
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That does not make sense. You can't accept non-empirical truth and then claim the concept has no basis in reality.
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eg Britons think 21% of Brits are Muslim. The empirical truth is that 5% are. The 21% narrative is not the reality. For Peterson, if overestimating by 400% aided our survival it would become true. For Harris it wouldn't.
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As Rogan pointed out, you don't have to say something becomes true because it is a dominant and helpful narrative. You can say 'This is a dominant and helpful narrative which isn't actually true.' Peterson rejected that.
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I don't remember this segment off the top of my head but context here is key. If they're talking about society then Peterson is correct. A society cannot function without a common narrative. The factual validity of the narrative doesnt really matter. In that sense it becomes true
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No, it doesn't. But this is what I was telling you both he and his followers argue. And so do postmodernists when they argue for different ways of knowing based on cultural narratives. eg Where Native Americans originated.
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You cannot have a functioning society without a common narrative. It's absurd to think otherwise. Change the narrative, you change society. We're seeing it today with the rise and social impact of anti-white narratives.
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This is a different argument.
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No, it isn't. I literally repeated myself.
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