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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ThomasFriedman_ @BrianBuchbinder @Gil_Ant

      On the subject of what is true.

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    2. Thomas Friedman‏ @ThomasFriedman_ 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BrianBuchbinder @Gil_Ant

      I'm not sure what's unclear. Harris is strictly empirical and rejects non-empirical notions of truth. Peterson is empirical while accepting that non-empirical notions of truth exist.

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    3. Rootless [But Very Stable] Cosmopolitan‏ @BrianBuchbinder 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ThomasFriedman_ @HPluckrose @Gil_Ant

      It seems the difference is sharper. Both accept that such "notions" exist. Harris denies they have any basis in reality, Peterson doesn't.

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    4. Thomas Friedman‏ @ThomasFriedman_ 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrianBuchbinder @HPluckrose @Gil_Ant

      That does not make sense. You can't accept non-empirical truth and then claim the concept has no basis in reality.

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    5. Rootless [But Very Stable] Cosmopolitan‏ @BrianBuchbinder 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ThomasFriedman_ @HPluckrose @Gil_Ant

      You can accept that people have "notions" of truth: "The world is full of demi-gods and fairies" without those notions being empirically true.

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    6. Thomas Friedman‏ @ThomasFriedman_ 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrianBuchbinder @HPluckrose @Gil_Ant

      That's not what we're talking about. We're taking about the agreement of what is true. Harris cannot agree that there is non-empirical truth then say non-empirical truth has no basis in reality.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ThomasFriedman_ @BrianBuchbinder @Gil_Ant

      Simply fixed because he wouldn't call it 'truth'. He'd say there are non-substantiated beliefs and there are truths. The postmodernists conflate these into different kinds of truths and ways of knowing & so does Peterson. It's not helpful.

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    8. Thomas Friedman‏ @ThomasFriedman_ 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BrianBuchbinder @Gil_Ant

      I know he wouldnt call it truth, I have maintained that the entire time. A strict empiricist who rejects intangible truth would call it "non-substantiated beliefs". Peterson would agree it is not scientific fact but truth for being; the truth morality.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @ThomasFriedman_ @BrianBuchbinder @Gil_Ant

      Hence truth stops being objective and criticisms that Peterson denies the objectivity of truth in the same way as postmodernists are substantiated.

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    10. Rootless [But Very Stable] Cosmopolitan‏ @BrianBuchbinder 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ThomasFriedman_ @Gil_Ant

      The search for truth can be conducted with objectivity. I'm not enough of a metaphysical realist to assume that truths themselves are "objective."

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 11 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrianBuchbinder @ThomasFriedman_ @Gil_Ant

      We cannot be sure we ever have objective truth but we can aim for it using evidence and accept it provisionally.

      10:44 AM - 11 Nov 2017
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