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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Geoffrey Miller

    I can feel both but the latter is the one that matters - outrage at violence against peaceful ppl, The former is an aesthetic thing.https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/927294670371045376 …

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    Geoffrey MillerVerified account @primalpoly
    Even hardened atheists can still feel reverence for churches and outrage at violence committed against worshippers. Looking at you, @wilw
    3:46 PM - 5 Nov 2017
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      2. Brien OToole‏ @BrienOToole 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I call your attention, paradoxically, to Larkin's, Church Going, for what is more than aesthetic & which is never obsolete, or so I think.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @BrienOToole

        What is that? I'm not sure it will apply to me.

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      4. Brien OToole‏ @BrienOToole 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5aKknj-q3o … If you've got a spare 4:05, enjoy.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @BrienOToole

        But this is what I mean by the aesthetic of churches. The atmosphere. The feel of them.

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      6. Brien OToole‏ @BrienOToole 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Afraid you'd think that. He starts there, but then doesn't it shift to the deeper, essential resonance of purpose & connectedness?

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @BrienOToole

        Sure. The psychological & social needs filled by religion are well-known. @Goddoesnt wrote a book about it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B016TX3RP6/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 …

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      8. Brien OToole‏ @BrienOToole 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @GodDoesnt

        Not proselytizing, just quibbling w/ the seemingly dismissive, "aesthetic thing." Partial to churches - like to see them get their due:)

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @BrienOToole @GodDoesnt

        I just mean that the pleasure taken in a church is not as important as the ethical thing of people being killed in it.

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      2. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Yes, aesthetic - but also, to me, there's a powerful poignance in the energy invested in making, say medieval churches, by people who ...

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      3. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose

        ... believed, simply or otherwise - or, let's face it, many not really at all - in the theological ideas associated with it. It's like ...

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      4. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose

        ... the memory of a kindness by a parent who really, at the time, didn't understand the problem they were trying to solve, but the effort...

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      5. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Friedmanzone @HPluckrose

        ... was heartfelt and serious.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Friedmanzone

        Yes, I think that's the aesthetic pleasure in a church. The history & the care that's gone into it & the beauty of the building.

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      7. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This is nitpicking, but what I'm talking about is probably even better expressed in a badly-made building than a high-medieval masterpiece.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @Friedmanzone

        Ah. There we part ways. I have felt no reverence for a church which was essentially a concrete block that ppl held religious meetings in.

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      9. Charles Peyton‏ @Friedmanzone 5 Nov 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I know what u mean. If the place is v. old, tho, I think the combination of the gulf of time/understanding with architectural simplicity...

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