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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted MJ fan account 1984

      Interesting thread from Fronx who is an honest & charitable person I often disagree with. I do so again! And yet, there is food for thoughthttps://twitter.com/fronxer/status/925624625685454848 …

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      i'm a bit tired of anti-feminist self-declared liberals they don't even notice that their gender theory is underdeveloped and essentialist
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

      I do think the unit of society is the individual & that women have autonomy which is undermined by representing us as a fragile class.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

      But there are two points here I think non-feminist or anti-feminist or feminist-but-critical-of-intersectionality liberals need to think abt

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

      1) Consistency on the concept of the power of discourse (ways of talking abt things) to construct social reality. 2) Attitude to status quo

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          I have been accused of inconsistency for being sceptical abt 'cultural conditioning' as an explanation of gender differences and yet...

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          also arguing that postmodern ways of thinking about cultural constructivism can have a profound impact on the way we see society & gender.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          In short: How can I both reject cultural constructivism and complain about the culture is being constructed along postmodernist lines?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          I think the answer to this is in whether we accept that there are many discourses going on at once & the individuals power to evaluate them.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          And also what we think the status quo on them is and how much power & acceptance they have.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          If I thought I lived in a society where dominant discourses were abt rigid gender roles & that there was insufficient liberal pushback...

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          ...on this, I'd be much more concerned & vocal about this. Because I do think ideas have great power in shaping society.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          In fact, I'm fairly sure I live in a society in which the dominant discourse on women's roles is that they can be whatever they want.

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        10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          And that this was hard won but we are threatened with a regress now by the rise of a powerfully divisive discourse abt identity & privilege.

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        11. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          And that this is not being sufficiently interrogated by liberals but is being so by conservatives which gives the right credibility & power.

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        12. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          So I do think dominant ideas powerfully impact society but I do not buy into the idea that individuals are mindlessly constructed by them.

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        13. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          I retain confidence in the idea that individuals are 'won' to certain ideas from a big mess of them & so free discussion of them is vital.

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        14. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          I resent being told that, as a woman, I have little autonomy to decide which ideas win my approval but simply react to dominant ones.

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        15. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          Whether it's feminists telling me I'm conditioned to favour social jobs or anti-feminists that I'm brainwashed to think I want one at all.

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        16. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          By that, I mean the very socially conservative idea that feminism is undermining the family & making women unhappy by extending their roles.

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        17. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          Not the criticism of feminist approaches to gender equality by people who support gender equality. Both can be described as 'anti-feminist.'

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        18. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          So it is not inconsistent to argue against cultural constructivist ideas of gender coz you think those ideas have power & are harmful.

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        19. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          Ideas do have power & can be harmful but arguing against them is the way to defeat them. Win people to better ideas.

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        20. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          Finally getting to the idea of the 'status quo' and liberals alleged support of it in a way which supports oppressive norms.

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        21. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          Firstly, you'd need to accept the status quo is dominated by oppressive norms & this is a big difference between liberals & intersectionals

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        22. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          (Using 'liberal' in the sense of lefties & centrists who are not conservative and also not the economic far-left or identitarian far-left)

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        23. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          When I am accused of wanting the preserve the status quo, this is true in 1 sense. I want to preserve universal liberalism & egalitarianism

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        24. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          There is a reason the identitarian lefties have been dubbed 'the regressive left'. But progress is also integral to liberalism.

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        25. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          When we look at progress universal liberalism brought in last 50 years in terms of gender/racial/LGBT equality, mad to ditch this approach.

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        26. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          The idea that people of all races, genders, sexualities should have equal opportunities & no-one be discriminated against works well.

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        27. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          The idea that we should evaluate people by their race. gender, sexuality & foreground the interests of some groups over others doesn't.

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        28. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          But we also need to be careful not to reactively defend the present in response to people who see it as plagued by oppressive systems.

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        29. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Nov 2017

          eg Not be motivated to see racism, sexism, homophobia nowhere in response to people seeing it everywhere.

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