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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      So, I often find that ppl who like me criticising religion don't like me criticising PoMo or vice versa.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      But the argument is not openly 'I think this ideology is worthy of criticism but not that one for these reasons...'

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      It's 'You should just leave ideologies you don't like alone & respect ppls freedom of thought' for some whilst criticising others.

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    4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That's not so surprising given that "ideology" is a vague concept that can be selectively applied, including applying it to everything.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      It's not surprising at all. But looseness of the term isn;t the reason for ppl being inconsistent on whether we shld criticise things. .

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    6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So now you've further abstracted from "ideologies" to "things". Of course ppl disagree about the ethics of criticizing different things.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      Sets of ideas then. Systems of thought. And they should. My criticism is not of this. It's not admitting that's what they;re doing.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      It's when they say 'Just don't ascribe to X belief system if you don't believe /like it!' but then criticise Y coz they don't believe/like

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    9. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It appears inconsistent when you analyse it using your own classification of actions, but I'm sure it doesn't feel inconsistent to them.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      Of course not. That's why I have to point out that it is. It's their own claim, not mine. 'If you don't like this ideology, leave it alone.'

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      But it really means 'I don't think you should criticise this ideology because I see different ones as more worthy of criticism'

      3:34 AM - 29 Oct 2017
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          But that is a valid argument. 'Why criticise ideologies?' isn't unless you genuinely mean that about all of them.

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        2. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That conversation is only possible if they agree with your way of classifying things.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          It;s not my way. I am not the one saying that we shouldn't criticise sets of ideas if we don't like them.

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        4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I understand that. I am saying that you are merely pointing out your disagreement with their way of classifying actions.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          I know I am. That is explicitly what I am doing. Disagreeing with their way of classifying actions. I said so quite clearly.

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        6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Ok. My point was that as long as they don't agree with your suggested classification, they can continue to live without contradictions.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          But it's not my classification. It's theirs. If they qualify it to 'Don't criticise some ideas because...' inconsistency disappears.

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