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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      Some ppl argue that if you believe an ideology to be factually & ethically wrong, it's virtuous to not subscribe to it & leave it alone.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      And some are even consistent about this & refrain from criticising all ideologies but more are not. There are only some they want left alone

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      So, I often find that ppl who like me criticising religion don't like me criticising PoMo or vice versa.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      But the argument is not openly 'I think this ideology is worthy of criticism but not that one for these reasons...'

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017

      It's 'You should just leave ideologies you don't like alone & respect ppls freedom of thought' for some whilst criticising others.

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    6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      That's not so surprising given that "ideology" is a vague concept that can be selectively applied, including applying it to everything.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      It's not surprising at all. But looseness of the term isn;t the reason for ppl being inconsistent on whether we shld criticise things. .

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    8. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      So now you've further abstracted from "ideologies" to "things". Of course ppl disagree about the ethics of criticizing different things.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @fronxer

      Sets of ideas then. Systems of thought. And they should. My criticism is not of this. It's not admitting that's what they;re doing.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

      It's when they say 'Just don't ascribe to X belief system if you don't believe /like it!' but then criticise Y coz they don't believe/like

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          People will tell me I should just not be religious if I think it ethically/factually wrong as though this is the virtuous thing to do. 1/2

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          But then they'll criticise feminism/capitalism/liberalism/humanism etc rather than just not ascribing to them. 2/2

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        4. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Probably because they see that it has an effect on their life. They can't ignore it. And they feel more independent from religion.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Yes, probably. This is a reasonable reason to give. 'Because criticising sets of ideas is bad' is not.

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        6. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          When they say it, it must be implicitly scoped to such sets of ideas that they find not worth criticizing.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Yes. That is what I am pointing out. You are saying this but you actually mean these are sets of ideas you don't think worth criticising.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          Then we can discuss why and I might well agree with you.

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        9. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Sounds like you want them to adopt your meta-ideology so that they see an inconsistency they didn't see before.

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        2. MJ fan account 1984‏ @fronxer 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          It appears inconsistent when you analyse it using your own classification of actions, but I'm sure it doesn't feel inconsistent to them.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @fronxer

          Of course not. That's why I have to point out that it is. It's their own claim, not mine. 'If you don't like this ideology, leave it alone.'

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          But it really means 'I don't think you should criticise this ideology because I see different ones as more worthy of criticism'

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 29 Oct 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @fronxer

          But that is a valid argument. 'Why criticise ideologies?' isn't unless you genuinely mean that about all of them.

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