Yes. As I said, I think this is a valid measure of progress. We progress when we become less wrong.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Sure. But that's not a distinct argument. And it's also an argument *for* adopting religious Judaism, depending on your premises ;)
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Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose
I'm being a bit tongue in cheek, but there's a point here, too; "it's progress because your religion is wrong" is an argument that only
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Replying to @AkivaMCohen @HPluckrose
Makes sense to someone who is already not religious. It carries no persuasive power whatsoever when addressed to a religious person
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Replying to @AkivaMCohen
Of course. I am not saying that religious people will agree with me. They're not going to see the decrease in religion as progress.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
right. So that's not a "defense" of the claim so much as a restatement of it. As a religious person myself, I was wondering if there was
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Replying to @AkivaMCohen
I can certainly defend my position that there's no evidence a god exists but this has been done to death. Bored of it now.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Heh. I'm sure you can. I can certainly defend my refutation of that argument (particularly if phrased that way!). But agreed, done to death
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Replying to @AkivaMCohen
For the purpose of that thread, the thing I am taking issue with is that it is morally wrong to think secularism better than religion.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @AkivaMCohen
The idea that it is morally wrong to think one set of ideas is better than another. Somehow bigoted or intolerant.
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When in fact, it is bigoted & intolerant to think this of sets of people. I think atheism > religion but atheists = to religious people.
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