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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Oct 2017

    Class is another thing that seems to differ across the Atlantic but I'm not sure. In the US, 'upper class' means the most rich & successful?

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      1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Oct 2017

        Whilst here, it means someone in the immediate family holds a title. They may or may not be wealthy or successful but usually are the former

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      2. Peter Taylor‏ @petetaylor97 20 Oct 2017
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        The relatively poor social mobility stats from the US mean there is a class system that holds down the poor. In UK class/breeding snobbery

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Oct 2017
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        Yes. Anyone in the UK who heard me speak would say 'middle middle class'. I couldn't be confused with say, Stephen Fry.

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      1. Stephanie Lahey‏ @StephanieLahey 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Broadly, yes. Ideas around class are very different here (ditto manifestations of classism)

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      1. Klaas Kremer‏ @KlaasRKremer 20 Oct 2017
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        I'd say rich. You don't always have to be successful to become rich out there, there's lots of old money.

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      1. Old Whig‏ @aClassicLiberal 20 Oct 2017
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        In Sweden you can tell only by their silly nicknames and in which borough or suburb they live. (Very few of those).

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      2. Virgil Scott‏ @thevirg83 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        In America we can differentiate between lower and upper, but the gradations of the middle class are a little harder to work out.

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      3. Virgil Scott‏ @thevirg83 20 Oct 2017
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        Doesn’t help that there’s a belief that there isn’t a class structure in this country.

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      2. Slow Cheetah  🐆‏ @Black_Kettle 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        There's an element of 'old money' to it: families that have been rich and successful for generations, but not aristocrats in the Euro sense

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      3. chippenjayles‏ @heinousjay 20 Oct 2017
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        the wealth in the US is pretty much all new money. most get rich in tech, finance, and business management. inheritance is a small slice

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      4. chippenjayles‏ @heinousjay 20 Oct 2017
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        and american generational wealth tends to evaporate in three generations, as i understand it

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      5. Slow Cheetah  🐆‏ @Black_Kettle 20 Oct 2017
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        Is there a particular reason for that? Old money families do exist over there but clearly much of it is new as you say

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      6. chippenjayles‏ @heinousjay 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Black_Kettle @HPluckrose

        my guess is that “trust fund babies” never get the practical experience the folks who build the wealth get, so they handle it poorly

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      7. chippenjayles‏ @heinousjay 20 Oct 2017
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        but i only have guesses

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      8. Slow Cheetah  🐆‏ @Black_Kettle 20 Oct 2017
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        Sounds plausible

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      1. Laurie Freeman‏ @lauriefreeman72 21 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Upper class in Canada considered the super rich. The class system in the UK is different... we don’t have titles that get passed down.

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      1. White Chocolate‏ @rhodeislander 21 Oct 2017
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        Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

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      1. Galapagos Flightless Cormorant‏ @CommonCormorant 20 Oct 2017
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        Not exactly. They're usually people w good professional jobs who probably have investments. But no one would complain if you used it thus.

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      1. John Smith  🦅  🇺🇸‏ @realkingprep 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Upper Class is the millionaires Upper Middle Class is wealthy professionals like doctors and lawyers. Titles are weird and alien to Yanks.

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