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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 7 Oct 2017

    I felt the need to make this.pic.twitter.com/aAeuMbaUUj

    10:16 AM - 7 Oct 2017
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      2. Toxic 🚫Centrism‏ @ExcludedMuddle 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Fine but how common is denial of the normal distribution/within-group variation in practice? What win is #NotAll? Educating a few idiots?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @ExcludedMuddle

        Huh?

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      4. Toxic 🚫Centrism‏ @ExcludedMuddle 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If ~everyone already knows caveats of generalization—there's variation within groups—what does #NotAll win other than a cheap counterpoint?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @ExcludedMuddle

        It's the only way to object to racism, sexism, homophobia etc. By objecting to negative generalisations. Men are violent! No, most are not.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. Toxic 🚫Centrism‏ @ExcludedMuddle 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But ~everyone already knows the limits of generalization. We are objecting to the violence, then narrowing down perps & root causes. Fair.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @ExcludedMuddle

        Yes, that is. Saying 'men are rapists' or something is not.

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      2. Gurwinder‏ @G_S_Bhogal 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I kinda agree, Helen. Thing is, the term "NotAll" has become cliched now - even worse, it's often used in parody (i.e. #NotAllNazis) - so people no longer take it seriously. I think a better strategy would be to show people examples of individuals who don't fit the generalization

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @G_S_Bhogal

        Well, I'm not necessarily suggesting using the term. Most of the time the respondent hasn't when accused of doing #NotAll.

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      2. Feminist Watch‏ @feminist_watch 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I felt the need to make this about its close cousin.pic.twitter.com/1W6z7UKXQ5

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      3. Bakamonosan‏ @bakamonosan 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @feminist_watch @HPluckrose

        Really helpful! "All cats have four legs. Rover (woof!) has four legs. Therefore Rover is a cat. Is this Aristotle's Syllogism? Relevant.

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      4. Feminist Watch‏ @feminist_watch 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @bakamonosan @HPluckrose

        Exactly. Also called “Affirming the Consequent”. “If A, then B. B. Therefore A”. Feminist “thought” is infested with it.

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      1. Rob Heyes‏ @robteifi 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        #NotAllGeneralisations. Sorry, I just couldn't resist

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      2. ΧΡΙΣΤΌΦΟΡΟΣ bɝːd‏ @christopherburd 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @keithfrankish

        Why do people imagine that not caricaturing powerful groups is somehow a favour to them, rather than a commitment to a realistic outlook?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @christopherburd @HPluckrose

        and far better preparation for dealing with them.

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      2. Haunted Backlog‏ @Haunted_Backlog 9 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @ash_effect

        >the argument goes Not always. Remember the "yesall" tags?

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      3. Spooky Futurist Dog‏ @FuturistDog 9 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Haunted_Backlog @HPluckrose @ash_effect

        #NotAllArguments

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      2. Designated Protagonist‏ @ringtrick 7 Oct 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        #NotAll just 4 out of 10pic.twitter.com/gtKlWY12FO

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      3.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia 8 Oct 2017
        Replying to @ringtrick @HPluckrose

        That's not even half. So you can't even say most, really lol. In that case you'd say "most don't want Shariah Law."

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia 8 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Librumtinia @ringtrick @HPluckrose

        And opinion polls are relatively useless as it's typically only a small sample size of the target demographic.

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      5.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia 8 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Librumtinia @ringtrick @HPluckrose

        It shows 4 in 10 but what was the sample size? If it's 4 in 10 but only say 500 out of 30,000 were polled (hypothetical here) that would be

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      6.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia 8 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Librumtinia @ringtrick @HPluckrose

        Woefully inaccurate. So, overall, regardless of what the demographic or question of a poll may be, always be aware of a sample size and

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      7.  🥄 🦓 🎃(っ◔◡◔)っ ᔕρ𝓸ỖƤⓎ 𝔍𝔞𝔡𝔢  🎃 🦓 🥄‏ @Librumtinia 8 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Librumtinia @ringtrick @HPluckrose

        Its comparison to the population of that demographic :3

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