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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      If you break in a horse, it will do you now good to just demand he'll let you ride him. It will take forever & might make things worse.

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    2. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      But have patience, calm and strategy, and you'll get there much faster with longer lasting positive results. (if that makes sense)

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      Yes & do you think that would still be the tactic to take in Pakistan? Go with a middle position even if it's still horribly oppressive.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1

      Genuinely, I mean. Not just pretending to in order to live whilst secretly working for liberalism & secularism.

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    5. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Hm. I would look at this differently, I think. for example: Atheism. Radical position is to make it acceptable. To do so you efficiently,

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    6. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      you'd be wise to make smaller steps. Tackle corporate punishment. Then tackle jail sentences. Tackle blasphemy laws. etc.

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    7. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      So, I'm not sure you'd take the middle position ideologically. Your goal is radical. At least in Pakistan.

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    8. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

      But your tactic would be "centrist". In order to achieve your radical goal.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      So you'd start out by opposing those who said 'kill atheists' & those who said 'legalise atheism' & go with 'imprison atheists,'

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    10. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'd put it as: Take death-penalty of the table. Next step. Take jail-sentences of the table. Your goal is to stop atheists from being killed

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
      Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

      But to be a centrist, you'd also have to oppose the other extreme - make atheism legal. Or you'd still be a radical but with modest goals.

      1:03 PM - 26 Sep 2017
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        2. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Hm. Yes. I see your point. Don't need to oppose it, necessarily. Just suggest a more likely scenario in which you will succes more likely

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

          I think you would have to. No-one believes ppl here is they claim to be a centrist but only oppose the left or right. They're right or left.

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        4. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Hm...thinking about this one. Can you not be more radical left and accept smaller/moderate steps for the greater good?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1

          Yes, but a radical lefty is a different thing to a centrist. A centrist would be genuinely committed to a middle position.

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        6. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @TamaraBrouwer1

          helps me to think of centrist as a political position on a spectrum, moderate is an attitude one, not necessarily on center.

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        7. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Gil_Ant @HPluckrose

          Maybe that's it. 🤔 My idea would be to take the moderate road. Not necessarily the centrist position.

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        8. Gil Ant‏ @Gil_Ant 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @TamaraBrouwer1 @HPluckrose

          a moderate conservative or moderate euro socialist is not, in most countries, a centrist. even more so to moderate political islam.

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        9. Tamara Brouwer‏ @TamaraBrouwer1 26 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Gil_Ant @HPluckrose

          No. My point was that you'd still have a radical (end)position. So you actually aren't centrist at all. You just take a moderate approach

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