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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Not for long. But sure, the same applies to quantum physics.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned

      But if there is such a thing as objective moral truth, it'd have to be bigger than humanity. Otherwise its relative to us.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @AtheistStoned

      And mediated through our needs & wants & priorities. We can't see a bigger picture. Small local needs.

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    4. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      They're what natural selection (the most objective and amoral force in the universe) is based on.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned

      Yeah, but I don't know what that has to do with morality.

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    6. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Nothing directly, but the point is that something which is highly localised (subjective) can still be objectively true.

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    7. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned @HPluckrose

      There are facts to be learned about human subjectivity and science is the best method we have to do so.

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    8. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned @HPluckrose

      Sorry, I keep going on about this, but without realism there is no basis for moral arguments...

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned

      Do you think I disagree with that?

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    10. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 21 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      No, but concerned that where objectivity relates to morality you're conflating it with absolutism. Absolutism = fictionalism, not realism.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AtheistStoned

      I don't know what you're talking about.

      12:25 AM - 21 Sep 2017
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        2. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Theists claim their morality is objective, but it's really just deontological absolutism based on fairytales ie fictionalism.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @AtheistStoned

          Yes, I know. I'm not one tho so I don't see how this applies to me.

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        4. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Seems that by forsaking any claim to objective morality we are allowing theists to shape the narrative. Moral relativism also a problem.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @AtheistStoned

          That's a bad reason tho. We don't know the origins of everything. Shld we pretend too so theist aren't the only ones claiming to?

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @AtheistStoned

          I don't know that we disagree on anything. It's just that you call objective facts abt human thriving 'objective morality.'

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        7. Peter Grant‏ @AtheistStoned 21 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think we do agree in essence, just not on terminology. Think terms are important for debating this issue with theists and nihilists.

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