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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017

      It's important to take responsibility for the things we say but we do also need to take responsibility for our perceptions of what others do

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017

      We can't ask others to apologise for our perceptions of the meaning of their words when they know full well what they actually meant.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017

      I don't accept 'death of the author' in relation to general conversation. The speaker is the only authority on their own meaning.

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    4. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      If they can't clarify a point beyond our perceived understanding, at what point do we have to take them at their word then?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Nothercupacafe

      Not talking about whether they are able to clarify their meaning but about them being the only one who knows what it is.

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    6. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I understand your point, & people should be able to clarify, but there are many times when people need to be taken at their own words.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
      Replying to @Nothercupacafe

      People can certainly backpedal & lie about their intended meaning, yes, and sometimes their original meanings matters. More often not.

      4:24 AM - 20 Sep 2017
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        2. Ian Pace #FBPE‏ @ianpacemain 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Nothercupacafe

          This isn't really what 'death of the author' - a piece of hyperbolic rhetoric - is about. More how readers bring their own meanings to texts

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ianpacemain @Nothercupacafe

          I know. That's why I specified 'in general conversation.' I've argued before that this has broken its moorings & become more general.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ianpacemain @Nothercupacafe

          That the idea we create our own meaning of words & they're just as valid as the author's has become twisted & used to serve political ends

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        5. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ianpacemain

          There's a point here though where it becomes "how can anyone know what anyone else means?"

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Nothercupacafe @ianpacemain

          Well, yes. Theorists like Derrida would argue that they can't.

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        7. Ian Pace #FBPE‏ @ianpacemain 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Nothercupacafe

          Derrida isn't is as crude as that, though some of his Anglophone interpreters often can be. Rather he talks about meaning being 'deferred'.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ianpacemain @Nothercupacafe

          Forever. Every text "engenders infinitely new contexts in an absolutely nonsaturable fashion."

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        9. Ian Pace #FBPE‏ @ianpacemain 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Nothercupacafe

          Yes, so meaning is never 'exhausted'. But which doesn't imply no meaning at all.

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        2. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Because of the way we tend to speak to each other these days (thx twitter) so much of one's original intent is likely missing, inflection..

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        3. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Nothercupacafe @HPluckrose

          Tone, expression, they all matter. But in a way it forces the author to focus further on the meaning of their words. I don't think most...

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        4. Lynette Craig‏ @Nothercupacafe 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Nothercupacafe @HPluckrose

          Should be hung, but it's fair enough to expect people to clarify and sometimes 1st words are the most honest. Every case is unique.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Sep 2017
          Replying to @Nothercupacafe

          Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

          Sure but there is simply no point in: 'You mean this' 'No, I don't' 'Yes, you do' conversations. I get this a lot.https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/685624693093699585 …

          Helen Pluckrose added,

          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          If I read your words this way, I can show why its wrong! Let me clarify my meaning. No, I really want to argue against what you didn't mean.
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