Similarly there are countless situations where people can easily rationalise why it is acceptable for Bob to kill Alice.
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If Bob comes into the argument operating under the "fact" that Alice should be killed, the argument ends there.
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If Alice considers "killing someone is always wrong" to be a base fact, how could Bob convince her otherwise?
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Morality is an important part of society and it cannot be ignored. Contradictory statements can be considered "fact" by different people.
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"Poor people should be left to die because they contribute nothing to society" is a logical conclusion to some, abhorrent claim to others.
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Some consider it "fact" that your worth to humanity is based on your net financial production less financial cost. Simple as.
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These people will then use "logic" to say that a poor person who is unable to work and requires medical costs to live should be left to die.
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That the expense and effort to keep them alive is more than the value they bring by being alive. Let them die instead, net gain.
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If you accept that "fact" above then no amount of "logic" will convince you otherwise, because logic doesn't change fact.
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We see this in all ideological arguments, but "facts" are usually really just strongly or widely held beliefs.
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Then we can point out that they're not facts at all.
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