Stop saying that "facts and logic" are the only right ways to defeat an ideology. "Facts and logic" only work against people who agree.
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"Facts and logic" are all well and good if you're presenting a mathematical proof but if the listener refuses to accept a step, it ends.
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"Facts and logic" only work in an argument if everyone agrees on the base facts being brought in and the system of logic being used.
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Furthermore, "facts and logic" fail in sociological arguments because there are often no "factual, logical" reasons for things.
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There are no "facts and logic" to prove that Bob shouldn't kill Alice.
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Arguments like "Alice has the right to live" or "murder is wrong" are not based in concrete facts or logic.
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Similarly there are countless situations where people can easily rationalise why it is acceptable for Bob to kill Alice.
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If Bob comes into the argument operating under the "fact" that Alice should be killed, the argument ends there.
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If Alice considers "killing someone is always wrong" to be a base fact, how could Bob convince her otherwise?
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Morality is an important part of society and it cannot be ignored. Contradictory statements can be considered "fact" by different people.
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But one or more of them will be wrong. That does matter.
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